Unfortunately, the same thing happened with Witcher 2&3 which were buggy at release, and promises were made that they would learn from it. And yet, here we are again, with management making an even bigger mess of this release. Now there's talk of a lawsuit against CDP. :(

I bought CP2077 on here to support CDPR thinking they learned after Witcher 3. Now I'm waiting close to 2 weeks for them to even get back to me about a refund (and no I haven't played the game since I would have to edit xmls to rebind certain keys - things I shouldn't have to do). Guess no good deed goes unpunished eh ;)

Considering the amount of creativity shown in parody videos alone, I think it was worth it in a way. I mean just look at this beauty :P : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNqWPtcXk5w

Give them some time and it will be a good game - it's very unfortunate that they released it in this state, but what else can we do but make the best out of it?

Do you happen to know any statistics about the numer of sold PS4 vs PS4 Pro? Because the discourse seems to universally be "will CDP go broke if all PS4 get refunded", which again is a fallacy since the "pro" consoles do seem pretty stable after the latest patches. I can't seem to find anything relevant.

That's interesting! I didn't know that was the case, I must have missed that when reading up on the other problems. Don't get me wrong I don't mind GOG Galaxy and actually like the idea behind it as long as the client was totally optional and offline installers were still offered. If content is being client locked then I definitely have a problem with that. I shouldn't need to use hex editors and modify ini files to access content that is already part of the game.

As for Marcin, yeah I realise how that kind of read - I guess I thought he was a good bloke with how he and the rest of the CDPR/GOG team came across which is why I didn't consider him a suit. That's why this whole situation has taken a lot of us loyal fans by surprise...totally out of character...

Oh god, that gave me a proper choking laugh! Thx!

I spent the day watching video reviews and gameplay across all platforms, and while the base last-gen consoles were the worst, it seems that all have serious issues ATM. Plus, many systems that either are poorly implemented or non-existent.

i would guess that CDPR is much more leveraged than Bethesda.

I am by no means a fan of the practice but the DLC is meant to bait people into using Galaxy, not to prevent piracy. Calm down a bit bro.

Actually, everything that binds users to a client software is a form of DRM.

This is quite openly stated in Steam's DRM description:

"The Steam DRM wrapper is an important part of Steam platform because it verifies game ownership and ensures that Steamworks features work properly by launching Steam before launching the game.

The Steam DRM wrapper by itself is not is not a anti-piracy solution. The Steam DRM wrapper protects against extremely casual piracy (i.e. copying all game files to another computer) and has some obfuscation, but it is easily removed by a motivated attacker.

We suggest enhancing the value of legitimate copies of your game by using Steamworks features which won't work on non-legitimate copies (e.g. online multiplayer, achievements, leaderboards, trading cards, etc.)."

(emphasis added)

GOG Galaxy is simply following the same route while publicly stating that it's not DRM.
Steam is honest about it, GOG is not. Ironic, isn't it?

Now how much difference does some cosmetic DLC make?
Personally I wouldn't be bothered to care, but as a practise, it's not something that I would appreciate at all.

I think it's only fair to talk about the uncanny similarities between No Man's Sky and CyberPunk 2077, in that they both were pretty broken on release, and the developers handling and marketing of the whole thing up until the release, and all the broken promises.

Internet Historian - The Engoodening of No Mans Sky

It's like seeing the whole thing in reprise... but, in Murrays defense, he was definitely not a marketing guy, and they were a lot smaller team when they started the game, unlike CDPR.

never mind

what i wasn't even born back then , how can i forget it then?:O

Speak of the devil... There is apparently a bug that corrupts your save if it reaches over 8 MB in size. Now THAT is a major reason to be upset.

Personally, I see a completely disproportionate response from an unhappy minority of gamers. The game has a 78% approval rating on Steam as of this writing, and you must take into account the known quantity that unhappy gamers decidedly more likely to complain and make lots of noise than happy gamers. With that in mind, it would suggest that the vast majority of players are happy with the game they got and happilly awaiting patches to make things even better.

CDPR are patching the bugs and improving performance. There is evidence of this.

Did CDPR lie to it's customers? Yes, I do believe so.

And is that even a remotely unfamiliiar practice in the modern video games industry? No it isn't. Not by a long shot. I wish it wasn't, but you will never stop the marketing machines of big games companies. They *need* to sell massive numbers of their products just to break even, and it's best for them to get quite a lot of that profit up-front, before release.

I think people are more hurt here just because it's CDPR that's done it. I mean, this is the company that pretends to care about gamers. They own GOG and pretend the absence of DRM is for us, their customers. It isn't and never has been. It's another marketing trick to tempt gamers away from the big hitter, Steam.

At the end of the day, they are a big company, a veritable giant in the gaming industry, and their goal is the same as every other company on the planet - profit.

But...

Is Cyberpunk 2077 really the laughing stock of the gaming industry? No, it's merely the latest in a never-ending series of bad launches, and will certainly not be the last.

Does their CEO deserve jail time? No (by the way, those suggesting he will get jail really don't understand that he has committed no crime. Even if there is a lawsuit, this is a civil case, not a criminal one. They don't dish out jail time for civil cases. Fines are more likely).

Do CDPR deserve bankruptcy. I would argue not. They haven't done anything to warrant such a severe punishment.

Sean Murray and Hello Games didn't go bankrupt after the realase of NMS did they? And Sean didn't go to jail. And this was much to the benefit of their customers in the end, because NMS is today lauded as a great game, and a true labour of love.

CDPR do deserve some criticism for sure, as does any company that pulls these kind of stunts (I'm looking at YOU Ubisoft and EA), but the criticism does need to fit the crime.

So please, try not to let your anger get the better of you. I'm sure in the end, we will all get a decent game out of Cyberpunk 2077.

It should have been advertised as a meme factory, not as the ultimate next gen triple A mega giga ultra immersive real life futuristic simulation experience.