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Posted February 02, 2010
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melchiz: Never blame the publisher, yeah? It's not like Kalypso is responsible, oh no. Stardock forces them to mark up those games in Europe!
Right.

If it were the publishers, then explain why every single other digital distributor isn't charging the same markup.
Yeah... right.
Posted February 02, 2010
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lackoo1111: forum moderators on Steam *angry*

Heh. That and the endless trolling and general crap.
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bansama: If it were the publishers, then explain why every single other digital distributor isn't charging the same markup.
Yeah... right.

If you want to believe that Stardock is trying to cheat you, please believe that. You have a strong bias and refuse to allow reason entry undistorted.
Here's something you fail to acknowledge: Stardock doesn't mark up its own games in Europe, nor does it do so for every publisher. If Stardock really wished to rip off Europeans, why only tweak the prices for 2nd tier publishers like Kalypso? It would appear that this is a case of distortion of fact in order to suit personal distaste for Stardock. Hm.
Post edited February 02, 2010 by melchiz
Posted February 02, 2010
and BurtonJ is superb
those fanboys makes me womit
sorry
and by the way: Impulse isn't perfect either ( see stupid contract with Kalypso )
Posted February 02, 2010
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lackoo1111: and by the way: Impulse isn't perfect either ( see stupid contract with Kalypso )

Yes, Impulse is far from perfect. I see no problem with legitimate criticisms of the service.
However, bansama's conspiracy theories are unfounded and absurd. At least collect meaningful evidence before you toss about such damning accusations.
Posted February 02, 2010
No conspiracy theory mate. Just fact. Fact: Stardock mark up the prices for Kalypso games while no other DD service does.
You can ask you bestest buddies why that is; but it won't change the simple fact that they are the only ones to do so.
Posted February 02, 2010
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Red_Avatar: - you're not allowed to use more than one account - neither is your brother, sister, son, daughter, father, etc. if you live in the same house
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: That's not true. You can have as many Steam accounts as you want. Valve doesn't care. They've confirmed this on the forums multiple times.

So their EULA is wrong then? As is their TOS? It's a good thing they've relaxed the rules but they should just remove that rule then. At least, depending on how reliable those forum posts are - I remember at least one person getting banned from contacting support with one account about another account.
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melchiz: Never blame the publisher, yeah? It's not like Kalypso is responsible, oh no. Stardock forces them to mark up those games in Europe!
Right.
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bansama: If it were the publishers, then explain why every single other digital distributor isn't charging the same markup.
Yeah... right.

Did you read Stardock's yearly report? They clearly stated that they try to fight local prices as much as they can. Until EA came along, there WERE no local prices - just like on Steam, it seems EA made them introduce it. Until EA games arrived on Steam a year ago, you still could pay in $.
Post edited February 02, 2010 by Red_Avatar
Posted February 02, 2010
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Red_Avatar: So their EULA is wrong then? As is their TOS? It's a good thing they've relaxed the rules but they should just remove that rule then. At least, depending on how reliable those forum posts are - I remember at least one person getting banned from contacting support with one account about another account.

I haven't read the posts in question, but I suspect this is the same thing as how some states have a law saying that you can't remove your driver's license from a special plastic sleeve until you are a certain age. The cops don't really care and aren't going to go do wallet-inspections. But if you get caught doing something you shouldn't, that is one extra charge they can lay on you.
Posted February 02, 2010
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Red_Avatar: So their EULA is wrong then? As is their TOS? It's a good thing they've relaxed the rules but they should just remove that rule then. At least, depending on how reliable those forum posts are - I remember at least one person getting banned from contacting support with one account about another account.

Show me where it says that you can't have more than one account.
http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/
Posted February 02, 2010
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Red_Avatar: Did you read Stardock's yearly report? They clearly stated that they try to fight local prices as much as they can. Until EA came along, there WERE no local prices - just like on Steam, it seems EA made them introduce it. Until EA games arrived on Steam a year ago, you still could pay in $.

I read it, but these are the guys who also claim they have a 10% market share, making themselves large than D2D and GamersGate. Which is complete BS. Seeing as that's BS, it's likely that most of the other information in that report is BS too. Such as their "fighting local prices".
As for Steam, the idea that local pricing arrived with EA is a myth. There has always been local (ie, regional) pricing on Steam. The only difference is the currency used to show it now. But even when the UK and EU were charged in USD, they had regional pricing -- were being charged more then the price in the US.
Posted February 03, 2010
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Red_Avatar: So their EULA is wrong then? As is their TOS? It's a good thing they've relaxed the rules but they should just remove that rule then. At least, depending on how reliable those forum posts are - I remember at least one person getting banned from contacting support with one account about another account.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: Show me where it says that you can't have more than one account.
http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

Ooo they removed it! Either that, or it's in another document somewhere. Never mind then - seems they realised how ridiculous that rule was anyway!
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bansama: As for Steam, the idea that local pricing arrived with EA is a myth. There has always been local (ie, regional) pricing on Steam. The only difference is the currency used to show it now. But even when the UK and EU were charged in USD, they had regional pricing -- were being charged more then the price in the US.

Normal price + VAT is NOT regional pricing. Before EA came along, only a few games had a different dollar price (I would know - I used to use a proxy to buy Steam games to evade paying VAT). It's been well known that it was EA who demanded that Steam have local currency which was the cause of the whole $1 = €1 movement. Except €1 is worth 40% more than $1 while VAT was just 20% so we pay 20% MORE than before. It's no coincidence that when EA came to Impulse they started showing local prices as well.
Post edited February 03, 2010 by Red_Avatar
Posted February 03, 2010
I never said VAT was a part of regional pricing. It has never been. But that's besides the point. Regional pricing has always existed on Steam and would exist regardless of the currency you are charged in. It did not arrive as a result of EA, nor was the change in currencies down to EA (again, that is simply a well propagated MYTH). The change in currency was due to many requests by customers who wanted to be charged in their own currency. Of course, once they got it; they soon wished they hadn't.
The same with Impulse, they used to show local currency along with USD -- and charged in USD. And they were doing that before EA joined them. But when Impluse changed to their new layout (a good while after EA joined them), they removed the ability to see the USD prices while still charging in them. And again, it was only returned due to customer complaints.
Post edited February 03, 2010 by bansama
Posted February 03, 2010
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bansama: I never said VAT was a part of regional pricing. It has never been. But that's besides the point. Regional pricing has always existed on Steam and would exist regardless of the currency you are charged in. It did not arrive as a result of EA, nor was the change in currencies down to EA (again, that is simply a well propagated MYTH). The change in currency was due to many requests by customers who wanted to be charged in their own currency. Of course, once they got it; they soon wished they hadn't.
The same with Impulse, they used to show local currency along with USD -- and charged in USD. And they were doing that before EA joined them. But when Impluse changed to their new layout (a good while after EA joined them), they removed the ability to see the USD prices while still charging in them. And again, it was only returned due to customer complaints.

Must be quite a myth because I recall reading on a news website that EA wanted Steam to have the same prices as their EA store (and that fit the bill - Steam prices were identical to EA store prices for quite a while). A coincidence then.
Regardless of all this, the local currency really hurt Steam in Europe. Good thing I know a few tricks to pay UK or US prices, both of which tend to be 40% cheaper.
What isn't a myth, is that Valve chose to set the prices at $1=€1. Plenty of smaller developers said that Valve picked the new prices for their games. Only after they explicitly asked Valve to change the price, they actually did so.
Post edited February 03, 2010 by Red_Avatar
Posted February 07, 2010
Price comparison:
game: Nemesis of the Roman Empire
store
D2D US : $9.95
D2D EU: 17,95 €
Posted February 07, 2010
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lackoo1111: Price comparison:
game: Nemesis of the Roman Empire
store
D2D US : $9.95
D2D EU: 17,95 €

That may be due to the publisher and certain licensing fees.
Posted February 07, 2010
"That may be due to the publisher and certain licensing fees."
that's why Kalypso sucks . ( except on GOG )
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