I know this has no direct connection to GOG. But still it's good to know that Bethesda has removed the DENUVO crap from its games.

Maybe such a measure will help the Dishonored series to reach GOG, who knows?

Anyway, the good fight against DRM continues.

So they removed one layer of DRM, but it's still only legally available as a DRM-infested game? If so, then removing Denuvo is not accomplishment.

And the many articles from the fake news of gaming journalism which are heralding it as if it is a victory only makes things worse. That's sending the implicit message that non-Denuvo forms of DRM are fine.

I don't think removing 1 (Denuvo) of 3 (+ Steamworks + CEG) DRM from one game will make much difference. The original Dishonored (2012) based on UE3 Engine didn't use Denuvo, "only" Steamworks + CEG and that still isn't here. Then of course there's Skyrim (2011) which still isn't here, etc...

I saw a steam post on this, which I can't find now, which stated denuvo had gone, but in place there was a Bethesda launcher and online checking added? So not really progress. Disbonered 2 and doto were not that great, the first game however was and would be good to get that here.

https://bethesda.net/en/article/j581lK5INqKKc80uIGoIS/free-content-for-dishonored-2-and-death-of-the-outsider

https://steamcommunity.com/games/403640/announcements/detail/3416441791704203550


Bethesda Launcher: So... one step forward and then two steps back? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ummm.... isn't this the same thing? Steamworks DRM is CEG

I thought they were two different things, ie:-

- "SteamWorks" is the label for the basic DRM (Steam client check).
- "CEG" (Custom Executable Generation is the enhanced additional second layer of DRM that installs the game minus it's .EXE, then polls the users hardware and creates a completely unique .EXE based on their hardware). Every time the game is run it does an offline check to see if the hardware has changed in addition to online checks / offline mode. To find out if a game has the additional CEG, search for a game on steamdb.info, click on "Configuration" on the left, then look under the main "Configuration" panel. If it contains a field marked "cegpublickey", it's has additional CEG. If it doesn't, there's no CEG, but that doesn't automatically make it DRM-Free as it can still have the basic non-CEG client check.

Examples:-
Bioshock 2 (Steamworks no CEG) : https://steamdb.info/app/8850/config/
Bioshock Infinite (Steamworks with CEG) : https://steamdb.info/app/8870/config/

They both have Steam DRM and neither will run without the Steam Client installed, but only Infinite specifically has CEG. So I've always seen it as a second layer as you can have "normal" Steam DRM with or without optional CEG component.

https://plus.google.com/+flibitijibibo/posts/9CnJH98W9pK

That's the steam topic I was looking for, couldn't find it. It yes, Beths launcher whereby you need a Beths account etc. So rather than drm you have data capture, online only, probably micro transactions, and all the other industry crap forced on you

and here i was thinking of finally buying the game. thanks for the warning everyone

Uh oh

https://www.gamewatcher.com/news/Bethesda-bypass-GDPR-ads#

Uninstall that crap adware.

It's good that you understand the reality of the media, but you slipped up and called it 'journalism'. Practice makes perfect, I suppose. :P Actually, nothing is forced on anyone. The problem is the majority of people who willingly fund these practices.

A business can try anything it wants. It can't actually do anything that its customers don't allow it to by giving it money..

I think you will find they can. In this instance almost all users brought the game when it had denuvo and steam, the latest update has brought n these changes, it's not like beths are offering refunds for those who don't want the update is it? So in these cases, yes it is forced. If it happens before you purchase, then I agree, that's on the user.

I was responding to your general statement "all the other industry crap forced on you".

Of course you are right about restrictions being implemented after one has purchased a game, but has that ever happened with a single-player game? I don't see how it could.

When one purchases a game, he either knows what is associated with the game, or knows what could change after purchasing the game. That in fact is one primary reason why I pay no more than bargain bin prices for any single-player game that requires a server connection or is designed as a "service". You never know what could change.

At any rate, it seems that there is a misunderstanding here. If it is Dishonored 2 that you are referring to, Denuvo has not yet been removed. But even if it does get removed--which is a good thing even if it never should have existed in the first place--the game will still remain on Steam.

A game can be removed from the Steam store, but once a game is purchased via Steam, it will be available to be played via Steam as long as Steam itself is available (theoretically).