pearnon: You're missing the point entirely. I can also post links and stories about people doing very nasty things in Portugal (hey, we have satanic cults as well), but neither Portugal nor the Ukraine have become theopolitical hellholes at the first sign of governmental strife or after being invaded by a foreign power, nor have their people declared holy war against the infidels and started engaging in terrorist acts abroad. This part of the argument you intervened in was my objecting to Mnemon's false moral equivalences, when he said that any country can "turn".
Go on, I'd like to see links and stories about people doing very nasty things in Portugal AND being pardoned for this, like in links I posted. Something like murder of 40-50 people. Or like that story where ukrainian man raped 13 years old girl and was sentenced to $120 fine.
As for terrorist acts abroad - that ukrainian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Muzychko participated in war in Chechnya. On the side which sliced throats.
You can see his motto, it's the same as for his organization. nazistic hellhole is sooo much better than theopolitical hellhole, right?
pearnon: Nope, sorry, you're making terrible excuses. They don't report suspicious behaviour in these extraordinarily volatile and dangerous times we are living in, because they arrive home tired and have to do the dishes?
Try to stop and think for a little longer there. Can you DEFINE suspicious behaviour?
"Police, my brother talks with a man whom I don't know about I don't know what"?
"Police, my brother wear traditional clothes, which my family wore for generations"?
For THEM, for people, which fled from drone strikes, from lack of food and water, they ofthen live much better than before, even with all the shooting other people do - for THEM life became much safer and easier.
pearnon: No, nor did they need to to notice when I started hanging around with the wrong crowd. And they probably would have noticed if all of a sudden I began to espouse hostility towards the West and the infidels, or dress like an imam. Stop making excuses.
"West did nothing wrong". There were no invasions in Lybia, Siria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo(all these are muslim regions destroyed by NATO), and locals fleeing from these areas don't know about NATO arming bandits under disguise of "good guys - opposition". Definitely, there are absolutely no reason for people fleeing from these areas to have any hard feelings about west.
Heck, Ukraine attempted to starve and freeze millions of people in Crimea, and nobody in the west gives a fuck.
pearnon: You don't need to police anyone or anything. You just need not to turn a blind eye and be aware of the times we're living in and the very serious dangers about. Again, stop making excuses.
It's so simple. But only in your mind. You do know that people commit suicides, while having absolutely normal lives for outsiders? Like Robin Williams (shaked me most so far). And absolutely normal people, relatives, which live with suiciders, which would've done anything to help them, can't figure signs of an edge. Not turn a blind eye is so simple...
pearnon: I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate on that, because I get the feeling you're mixing things up. Could you clarify?
70 years ago USSR tried to form defensive alliance against Htiler.
England and France refused, they told "go talk with Poland"
Yeah, Poland, which annexed part of USSR in 1920th and was German's ally, they annexed Checkoslovakia together.
The rest you can learn in history books.
Right now Russia tries to form an alliance against islamist radicals, but we get...
"Oh, these are good guys, they are opposition"; "No, we wouldn't give you Mistrals which you need to deliver military goods into zone of operation against islamist radicals, because people, which fought against you in Chechnya call you an aggressor"
pearnon: You're mixing things up. The policy is not meant for the "people", but for terrorists.
pearnon: Please also note that the stuff you linked to, while informative, doesn't disprove a single thing about those policies.
Thing is, terrorists in Chechnya ofthen don't have any family living in Russia, like previously linked ukronazi.
On bigger scale... there is that "country" near Russian border, Georgia.
After they became independent from USSR, USA worked hard to make them puppet state.
Years of subduing local political movements resulted in installing US citizen as president
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikheil_Saakashvili through revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Revolution Now they die for NATO (not being actual part of NATO block, they send georgian batallion to [s]die for them[/s] help them).
Remember, how they screamed about "Russian invasion" in 08/08/08, while eventually it became clear that they attacked us?
Ukrainians do the same, and even Saakashvili now Ukrainian politic.
Anyway, Georgia has region
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankisi_Gorge It is root of islamist radicals, training and breeding ground, islamists from Chechnya evacuated their families into Pankisi, out of Russian jurisdiction. Georgia didn't give out neither terrorists, nor their families (moreso it is impossible to demand deportation of innocent people, fugitives you can demand through Interpol).
So, even if Russia would try to implement such policy... there is nobody to implement it against.
For example, not so long ago there was shooting in the Istanbul airport.
One of the responsible people, Akhmed Chataev - former chechen "separatist", he was regularly caught in Europe, but never given to Russia, he was once captured in Georgia with weapon, but by direct order of Saakashvili he was freed.
Try to read with google translator:
https://lenta.ru/news/2016/06/30/terraktstambul/
https://lenta.ru/news/2016/07/01/saaka_chataev/
https://lenta.ru/news/2016/07/04/nachalos/
Technically, there could've been cases when people in the state of affect after losing relatives lynch relatives of killers, invoking "eye for an eye" rule, but it just results in more bloodshed, so it isn't tolerated.
