GreasyDogMeat: Its a simple question. I want to know if facts and research are now considered the above or if we can actual have rational discussions now.

I'm seeing a pattern on this thread. People pointing out actual facts and getting downvoted to hell and others posting nonsense based on nothing more than emotion getting upvoted.

As for a solution... yes... reformation. Until that happens no more refugees. The teachings of Islam are incompatible with western values. Well, the irony is the less a Muslim follows his religion the more westernized he is.

I strongly advise BOTH the so called 'haters' and the 'tolerant' leftist here to READ THE QURAN!

GreasyDogMeat: Its a simple question. I want to know if facts and research are now considered the above or if we can actual have rational discussions now.

I'm seeing a pattern on this thread. People pointing out actual facts and getting downvoted to hell and others posting nonsense based on nothing more than emotion getting upvoted.

As for a solution... yes... reformation. Until that happens no more refugees. The teachings of Islam are incompatible with western values. Well, the irony is the less a Muslim follows his religion the more westernized he is.

I strongly advise BOTH the so called 'haters' and the 'tolerant' leftist here to READ THE QURAN!

Dismember77777: The solution is simple (Keep Islam/Muslims) out of your countries and leave it alone..How is trying to Westernize/Liberalize the world not "White Supremacy"?

throgh: What do you think would happen if we would go back in time and interpret the bible word by word? Whoho, we have a winner here! Exactly the same: So it is on us all helping to find a way out the circle of violence.

throgh: Looking back to my books: Oh okay, there is my edition of the quran. Did you read the bible? Of course you do. Then let me ask again a little bit harsher: Did you ever read a confession of faith without ambiguity? What do you think would happen if we would go back in time and interpret the bible word by word? Whoho, we have a winner here! Exactly the same: So it is on us all helping to find a way out the circle of violence. And this is not possible with being or feeling supreme by telling everybody here the islam is guilty. Damn about the islam? Damn us all, would be even better ... we let it happen going back to conservative pictures of the world. Look at the time those confessions were written: Full of prejudices. Looking at our time? Hmm, again ... full of prejudices and at the brink of destruction because people like being supreme (supreme idiots in my point of view, but that's another story). :-)

GreasyDogMeat: Here is the problem... Christianity has had reformations... Islam has not. Look at the violence (quantity and types) committed today comparing Christian crimes against Muslim crimes. They do not remotely compare. Every... single... day someone dies with the last words they hear being ALLAHU AKBAR! By your very wording... "What would happen if we would go back in time". We're not back in time... there is no reason to go back in time... we're in the here and now and in the here and now Christianity is not the issue.

throgh: Seriously? So the Muslims, even ALL Muslims are responsible in your point of view? Wow, ignorance is the very first impression and the best solution as always. So let the people die in their country, this is not "our" problem? Interesting! Sidenote: What would happen if thie would the other way round? When we here are in trouble and had to knock on the doors of those countries? Wouldn't it be nice finding there friends instead of enemies? But hey, what do I even know about those things? I'm just an idealist and within the words of some people here a "leftist". ;-)

throgh: So then there should be help for a reformation. And there are in fact many liberal muslims in the world. So why is there nobody listening to them? (o.O)

Years_of_Chaos: What you are saying makes no sense.

GreasyDogMeat: Probably thanks to the media brainwashing the west has received. The same media that actually tried to blame the Orlando shooting on American conservatives. I've listened to some brilliant Muslim women who are trying to promote reformations. I'm trying to find one now so I can post her video.

throgh: And yes: There is a solution. Stop bombing people in other countries and think these wars stay there. Stop supporting dictators! Stop delivering weapongs to EVERY side and make money with pain and agony.

throgh: So you think war is a local problem of those countries? If should stay there? Remember: In a global world there is no further restriction to any conflict. What the people have to suffer in their contires we have also to suffer and there is no way to stop this with "nationalism" or closing borders or being "fast and furios" about guessing the responsible person with any religion.
throgh: Now we are talking. Would be interesting having the source here as link! :-)

KiNgBrAdLeY7: Obviously. Warning fellow Europeans about what to expect and from where those threats come from, is my obligation, as a human being. People may hate me but it is my duty as a human being, to protect others against wild beasts; even if that means i end up being hated. Also, i am in a position to know first hand those news i present others with, especially within this very specific post that you quoted. My aim is not to enrage or hate speech, as certain activists rush to accuse me. My aim is to stop the death spreading and the corpse-counting. My aim is for no other country, other than mine, to degrade into "Other". It is certainly within your rights to apply censor if you want or pressure to me (in the past i willingly followed moderators' urging), but first, you must think what is needed... Pamper oversensitive people with little grasp on reality and sweep the truth under the carpet, or stomach the harsh reality and help others avoid it, before it comes crashing down their door?

I will respect your decision whichever it might be. But i will urge you to respect the lost lives and the martyrs, on the other side of the scales and all. You that have power can only make it matter. Do what you will, but on a basis that you can sleep easy at night... Regards and best of wishes.