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NuffCatnip: Why do these threads always attract assholes. :/

Yeah, we get it you have a problem with certain groups (be it because of their believes or their ethnicity), but please, oh please, shut the fuck up and stop spewing shit all over the place! :/
Yes yes, good infidels, don't talk about how we're murdering you in the streets, that would be racism!
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Pssst, catpower. They work really fast. You have to add those two in your initial post... Alas, now two incidents per day,
The hospital was a patient that killed his doctor then himself so........

Edit- What are the gun laws in Europe for the most part? What are your views on Americas gun obsession?
Post edited July 26, 2016 by Emachine9643
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Emachine9643: What are your views on Americas gun obsession?
Bonkers. Almost 40 and not sure I've ever even seen a gun in real life, except holstered on a policeman. Small country with a large population though, not really that many remote areas here, I can see how a US citizen might feel somewhat less secure, in some cases. However, that doesn't require assault rifles or open carry and the like imo, and from the sound of it it seriously needs more regulation.

Looked up a quote about the gun laws in the Netherlands since I honestly didn't have a clue what the actual laws on it were since, it's not made into a big issue unlike in the US.

Outside the military, nobody in the Netherlands is allowed to own or shoot an automatic weapon.

Dutch gun laws are actually quite strict. Gun ownership is seen not as a right, but a privilege, with hunting and target shooting the only two legitimate reasons for owning a gun.

Self defence is not regarded as a valid argument for owning a gun, and only the police are allowed to carry a weapon. The main purpose of Dutch gun laws is to create a clear division between legal gun owners and people who use guns for criminal purposes. So far, the Dutch have been fairly successful in accomplishing this objective.

Gun owner
Aspiring sport shooters must join a gun club. Application for gun club membership involves a trial period, allowing the club to find out who they are dealing with, and a background check by the Justice ministry. A criminal record - particularly one involving violent incidents –would disqualify the applicant. Currently, there are about 42,000 gun owners registered with the Koninklijke Nederlandse Schutters Associatie (Royal Dutch Riflemen’s Association). All gun clubs are registered with the KNSA, which maintains close contact with the Justice ministry.

After one year of membership – during which period the new member can practice with guns owned by the club – members can apply for a gun permit and, if granted, purchase their first gun. After the second year of membership, gun owners can buy more guns, to a maximum of five. Guns and ammunition kept at home must be stored in separate strongboxes. The police regularly make house-calls to check whether the guns registered in a person’s name are actually in his possession and whether they are properly stored.

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Members of shooting clubs are only allowed to own guns which are suitable for use in KNSA-approved shooting matches which, for instance, rules out short-barreled revolvers and all automatic weapons which are unsuited to competitive shooting. Also, gun owners can only legally transport their guns and/or ammunition either from their home to their gun club, to a licensed gunsmith, to the police station (for inspection) or to a shooting match they hold an invitation to. All of the above via the shortest possible route.

As gun ownership is regarded as a privilege, almost any violation of the gun laws will automatically lead to the shooter’s gun permit being revoked. Involvement in a violent incident, or even driving a car under the influence of alcohol, will also result in the permit being revoked.

Unnecessary suffering
Another category of gun ownership involves guns used for hunting. There are about 28,000 hunters in the Netherlands, who must take an extensive and quite expensive one-year training course to obtain their hunter’s diploma before they can apply for a hunting licence. This will only be granted if they can prove they actually have access to hunting grounds, which in the densely-populated Netherlands can prove quite difficult to find. Hunters are allowed to take their rifles out into the fields, but the rules regarding safe storage apply to all legal gun owners, and must regularly practice their shooting skills at a rifle range to avoid unnecessary suffering of their prey.
Post edited July 26, 2016 by Pheace
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Ricky_Bobby: How do you best fight an ideology, an idea !? It has no physical form apart from those it possesses.
Offer a better alternative. Happy people don't become terrorists, especially not those of the suicide attacker type, nor are they easy to radicalise.

But to get to that better alternative won't happen in the short term, is a difficult path (not a military and police matter on it's own), won't be cheap and will have a lot of setbacks along the way.
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Emachine9643: Edit- What are the gun laws in Europe for the most part?
Here's how it works in Belgium for a "common" person (not a cop, bodyguard or such):
http://www.coursdetir.be/intro02.html

You to choose between being a "sport shooter" or a "hobby shooter". In the long run, there are more downsides if you choose the sport path, you even have to only get loader with 5 ammo maximum. So it's simpler to be registered as an hobbyist.

A few rules:
- You have to provide your criminal record and a doctor certificate every year.
- You have to be registered at a shooting club and go there at least 10 times per year.
- You have to pass a theory exam and then a practice exam both supervised by your local police
- You have to register each weapon by the authorities
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How many have died in car accidents across Europe?

Compare that with terrorist attacks.
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Post edited July 26, 2016 by tinyE
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mecirt: Also, the terrorist (though they were called "separatist" at that time) attacks used to be much worse in the 1970s. Yet, somehow, we are still around.
Weren't they mostly targeted towards politicians and officials, rather than public, by the left-wing extremists who got aid from DDR and trained abroad on islamist terrorist training camps?

One thing to ponder on: why have those leftist terrorist strikes mostly ceased? What changed over the years? Was it all due to DDR (and Soviet Union) collapsing, or also something else? Could the same happen to e.g. islamist attacks, if and when ISIS really is long gone, just like DDR?

I guess the silver-lining in all this is that the modern terrorists quite often kill themselves, so _in theory_ their numbers might be decreasing, as long as we found a way that new ones will not emerge all the time. At least it isn't like the RAF/Baader-Meinhof where the same persons might commit several attacks, until they are caught.

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Pangaea666: How many have died in car accidents across Europe?

Compare that with terrorist attacks.
And how many have died of old age? That's about as relevant.
Post edited July 26, 2016 by timppu
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Emachine9643: Edit- What are the gun laws in Europe for the most part?
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catpower1980: Here's how it works in Belgium for a "common" person (not a cop, bodyguard or such):
http://www.coursdetir.be/intro02.html

You to choose between being a "sport shooter" or a "hobby shooter". In the long run, there are more downsides if you choose the sport path, you even have to only get loader with 5 ammo maximum. So it's simpler to be registered as an hobbyist.

A few rules:
- You have to provide your criminal record and a doctor certificate every year.
- You have to be registered at a shooting club and go there at least 10 times per year.
- You have to pass a theory exam and then a practice exam both supervised by your local police
- You have to register each weapon by the authorities
some years ago a girl from neighborhood came and rang the bell to my house. i went to metal door (which has bars) and when i approach she shot me with an air gun! i tried to protect my face so i put my hand in front of the gun - even to this day i still have a 1 cm mark in the palm of my left hand... :( i think if people would have REAL air guns which shoot lead instead of plastic balls, that can protect you if you shoot bad man in the head. it can't kill but it can leave you blind and stuff. here in romania i'm not allowed to even carry real airguns on the street - you can buy them illegally from 2nd hand over internet but i don't want to be illegal and there's no terrorist here anyway

PS: you are ALL kosmak - i forgot to mention :-(
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Post edited December 23, 2016 by tinyE
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ciomalau: some years ago a girl from neighborhood came and rang the bell to my house.
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tinyE: Seriously? Man, I'd think with that "A Registered Sex Offender Lives Here" sign in your front yard most people would avoid your house like the plague.
since when i am sex offender?
and kingbradley posts white genocide bullshit, this thread is going downhill fast.

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catpower1980: Here's how it works in Belgium for a "common" person (not a cop, bodyguard or such):
http://www.coursdetir.be/intro02.html

You to choose between being a "sport shooter" or a "hobby shooter". In the long run, there are more downsides if you choose the sport path, you even have to only get loader with 5 ammo maximum. So it's simpler to be registered as an hobbyist.

A few rules:
- You have to provide your criminal record and a doctor certificate every year.
- You have to be registered at a shooting club and go there at least 10 times per year.
- You have to pass a theory exam and then a practice exam both supervised by your local police
- You have to register each weapon by the authorities
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ciomalau: some years ago a girl from neighborhood came and rang the bell to my house. i went to metal door (which has bars) and when i approach she shot me with an air gun! i tried to protect my face so i put my hand in front of the gun - even to this day i still have a 1 cm mark in the palm of my left hand... :( i think if people would have REAL air guns which shoot lead instead of plastic balls, that can protect you if you shoot bad man in the head. it can't kill but it can leave you blind and stuff. here in romania i'm not allowed to even carry real airguns on the street - you can buy them illegally from 2nd hand over internet but i don't want to be illegal and there's no terrorist here anyway

PS: you are ALL kosmak - i forgot to mention :-(
What is a kosmak?
Post edited July 26, 2016 by Lord_Kane
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Lord_Kane: and kingbradley posts white genocide bullshit, this thread is going downhill fast.

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ciomalau: some years ago a girl from neighborhood came and rang the bell to my house. i went to metal door (which has bars) and when i approach she shot me with an air gun! i tried to protect my face so i put my hand in front of the gun - even to this day i still have a 1 cm mark in the palm of my left hand... :( i think if people would have REAL air guns which shoot lead instead of plastic balls, that can protect you if you shoot bad man in the head. it can't kill but it can leave you blind and stuff. here in romania i'm not allowed to even carry real airguns on the street - you can buy them illegally from 2nd hand over internet but i don't want to be illegal and there's no terrorist here anyway

PS: you are ALL kosmak - i forgot to mention :-(
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Lord_Kane: What is a kosmak?
a word i picked up from conquer online. i learn it from the egyptians who speak arabic. i think it's 2 words in fact - you can say kos omak or kosmak same thing. it means your mother's vagina but i don't know more arabic and i'm trying to talk like a terrorist so this will have to do :-/

edit: i got an idea! :D if you ever meet a terrorist tell him "kos omak ya metnak" it means your mother's vagina you fag. maybe he'll get angry and kill himself like that last terrorist in germany who suicide!
Post edited July 26, 2016 by ciomalau
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Lord_Kane: and kingbradley posts white genocide bullshit, this thread is going downhill fast.

What is a kosmak?
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ciomalau: a word i picked up from conquer online. i learn it from the egyptians who speak arabic. i think it's 2 words in fact - you can say kos omak or kosmak same thing. it means your mother's vagina but i don't know more arabic and i'm trying to talk like a terrorist so this will have to do :-/

edit: i got an idea! :D if you ever meet a terrorist tell him "kos omak ya metnak" it means your mother's vagina you fag. maybe he'll get angry and kill himself like that last terrorist in germany who suicide
1. ahhhhhhh ok

2. wow I actually giggled at that.
Post edited July 26, 2016 by Lord_Kane
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MaGo72:
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Emachine9643: Maybe the world leaders need to renew the economy and are pitting one group of people against the next to trigger a great culling of the population then they can say "see you wanted this and we had no choice". BOOM! Population goes down and we rebuild and no nation is labeled a nazi.......
I do not think that it is a great culling of the population, I heard from those plans Bradley mentioned as well as those eugenics programs, but what you said "see you wanted this and we had no choice" that sounds a lot like Edward Bernays. With that you are onto something in my opinion. Bernays said that you do not win people to do or wish something by talking to them like in a sales pitch, you have to change their environment so that they want it themselves.