Posted January 17, 2016
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Breja
You're in my spot
Registered: Apr 2012
From Poland
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jadegiant
Bah, puny gamers
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted January 17, 2016
Well, I am deaf, but you couldn't possibly have been addressing me :)
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Bad Hair Day
Find me in STEAM OT
Registered: Dec 2012
From Other
Posted January 17, 2016
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jadegiant
Bah, puny gamers
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted January 17, 2016
Nah, that's okay, I get around here enough to know you are not serious about 99% of the time :)
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zeogold
The Puzzlemaster
Registered: Dec 2012
From United States
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jadegiant
Bah, puny gamers
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
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itchy01ca01
SLAYEEERRRR!!
Registered: Dec 2012
From Canada
Posted January 17, 2016
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Outright harrassment often gets punished less (=is more likely to be just ignored) than politely stated opinions.
I'd probably have about 1400 rep by now if this wasn't the case and if we'd get new mods, real discussions probably wouldn't be happening anymore at all thanks to the phasing outrage culture.
Try it! Go into threads and just say "I think that Islam and neo-feminism are problematic" (with or without further reasoning, doesn't make any difference) and boy, you're in for a treat.
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zeogold
The Puzzlemaster
Registered: Dec 2012
From United States
Posted January 17, 2016
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Outright harrassment often gets punished less (=is more likely to be just ignored) than politely stated opinions.
I'd probably have about 1400 rep by now if this wasn't the case and if we'd get new mods, real discussions probably wouldn't be happening anymore at all thanks to the phasing outrage culture.
Try it! Go into threads and just say "I think that Islam and neo-feminism are problematic" (with or without further reasoning, doesn't make any difference) and boy, you're in for a treat.
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LeonardoCornejo
Magic researcher
Registered: Jan 2013
From Mexico
Posted January 17, 2016
I know soemthing that guarantees downvotes and every sane person agrees it should not. Criticism against Anita Sarkeesian or anyone else trying to censor video games.
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itchy01ca01
SLAYEEERRRR!!
Registered: Dec 2012
From Canada
Posted January 17, 2016
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Depends on how informed you are on the facts. Censorship is not right, but bullying is also not right. Chasing women off of games, chasing homosexuals out of forums is bullying. You can have your opinion, but you don't get to shove it down someones throat.
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LeonardoCornejo
Magic researcher
Registered: Jan 2013
From Mexico
Posted January 17, 2016
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itchy01ca01
SLAYEEERRRR!!
Registered: Dec 2012
From Canada
Posted January 17, 2016
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Trying to say "I haven't seen it" is the cheap way out. It happens. It happens to "gay" people quite frequently, even in everyday life. I have personal experiences of gay people I know being beaten, bullied and having committed suicide due to bullying, just in the past 2 years.
So yea, it does happen. Closing your eyes and saying " I can't see anything " is delusional and defeats the purpose of intelligent conversation.
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LeonardoCornejo
Magic researcher
Registered: Jan 2013
From Mexico
Posted January 17, 2016
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Trying to say "I haven't seen it" is the cheap way out. It happens. It happens to "gay" people quite frequently, even in everyday life. I have personal experiences of gay people I know being beaten, bullied and having committed suicide due to bullying, just in the past 2 years.
So yea, it does happen. Closing your eyes and saying " I can't see anything " is delusional and defeats the purpose of intelligent conversation.
And I do know what I am talking about because I come from the depths of 4 chan and I was tempered in the vilest pits of 8 chan and similar chans. I move between many gamer communities and I don't see any single demographic being a popular target. About homosexuals being harassed in real life and bullie into suicide. It has become more and more rare as time passes. But media lies, and the current PC media will try to manipulate things as much as possible, and the death of a group considered "protected" is perfect propaganda and clickbait material.
I am not dennying it happens, I am stating the claims of gamers being natural misogynist homophobes are pure hogwash. And most of the "harassment" directed toward political correctness and censorship supporters is not even harassment at all, it is criticism, often valid, or in the worst case mockery. Trust me, Jack Thompson got a lot more harassment when he was a relevant figure than Sarkeesian ever got.
And all those claims that video game content influences the personality and mindset of players is messed up. Video games don't make you violent, video games don't make you misogynist, homophobic, racist, or any other "ist" or "phobic". People are capable of crytical thinking. I could play a video game in which you play the role of a Nazi German officer and I would still consider my Jewish firend one of my best friends. I could play Ethnical Cleansing and I would still consider black people and Jews just people. Heck, I can be against the current immigration trends in Europe and still consider Middle Easterns people, humans, and not all criminals as those who acted in Cologne and Paris.
You know what makes people racist, homophobic, misogynistic, heterophobic, and overall bigotted? Political correctness and censorship. Because it divides people in "opressed", "protected" and "minority" groups and "opressor", "bigotted", and "majority" groups. And that divide leads to resentment and negative feelings of those in one group toward those in the other group.
Trust me, playing the lowly tasteless game "Kill The Faggot" or the morbid "RapeLay" is a lot less likelly to make you a homophobe or a misogynist or even a rapist than the current PC culture in which you can't say anything or otherwise you are labelled a bigot.
And nobody chases women or homosexuasl or whatever off of games, because guess what? Gaming is a meritocracy, as long as you are a good player nobody wil care that much about your age, gender, nationality, sexual preferences, or any other trait. Most of the time gamers won't even ask. They will identify you by your nickname and your avatar, and not by your human body. Heck, gamers are one of the most welcoming communities I have ever met. And I entered online gaming during a period in which Americans felt a lot of hard feelings toward Mexicans. Guess what, most of my friends in online games were from souther USA states, and when they found out I was Mexican they did not care. They only cared about my skill at playing and being fun.
Post edited January 17, 2016 by LeonardoCornejo
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dtgreene
vaccines work she/her
Registered: Jan 2010
From United States
Posted January 17, 2016
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Outright harrassment often gets punished less (=is more likely to be just ignored) than politely stated opinions.
I'd probably have about 1400 rep by now if this wasn't the case and if we'd get new mods, real discussions probably wouldn't be happening anymore at all thanks to the phasing outrage culture.
Try it! Go into threads and just say "I think that Islam and neo-feminism are problematic" (with or without further reasoning, doesn't make any difference) and boy, you're in for a treat.
![avatar](http://images.gog.com/0acede4854c96f4bd08701c72caea76b0dbb1e98d97b1666685b3138ee417502_avm.jpg)
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Also, keep in mind that criticism is not censorship. Just because Anita Sarkeesian thinks a game is problematic does not mean she wants it off the shelves.
(Note that the whole "criticism is not censorship" goes both ways, of course.)
Edit: Also, look at this blog post I found:
http://zennistrad.tumblr.com/post/100183904343/an-open-letter-to-anita-sarkeesian-conspiracy
Post edited January 17, 2016 by dtgreene
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LeonardoCornejo
Magic researcher
Registered: Jan 2013
From Mexico
Posted January 17, 2016
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Also, keep in mind that criticism is not censorship. Just because Anita Sarkeesian thinks a game is problematic does not mean she wants it off the shelves.
(Note that the whole "criticism is not censorship" goes both ways, of course.)
Edit: Also, look at this blog post I found:
http://zennistrad.tumblr.com/post/100183904343/an-open-letter-to-anita-sarkeesian-conspiracy
Second. I know this will sound biased and narrow minded but I am not going to read something from Tumblr. It is just not a place worth my time.