Yes, even as a deconstruction it's a bad one. That's something that annoys me in all these debates, people just assume we're against the concept of a deconstruction (or a movie about failure) when really it's all about execution.

He should have done a "Star Wars Story" movie if he wanted to explore those themes, probably. He would have had a lot more leeway with fans and such if it was a side project, rather than the follow-up to Force Awakens' pretty traditional Star Wars style.

You know I thought this when I watched it but months later my high opinion seems to be waning.
I still love it, but whenever I reflect on it, more things occur to me that just don't sit right.

Of course, this is not a thread about that movie so I'll leave it at that.

This, let's leave it. I've gone on about it, both the good and the bad, at lenght already, more than once. And we will surely return to it anyway once Episode IX comes along.

OMG, yes. I freaking loved Willow.

I'm fairly sure I didn't entertain you in this matter the last time around.

The reports tell me it would've been different, maybe that's why in the original post I talked about its originality or lack thereof being the key factor behind me not wanting to watch it, before you entered with some "there's no way of knowing" platitude.

But yeah, I do agree with you on one thing: Give me a break.

I feel like Willow is one of the few, if not the only one of those "nostalgic 80s movies" that truly needs a sequel. Not just "I want it to have one" but outright needs one, a story about grown up Elora doing some awsome stuff. It always felt to me like the original movie is just the first part of a larger story.

Agreed. Back in the 80s I was expecting a sequel. Alas, I didn't really pay much attention to box office numbers back then, so didn't realize my hopes were likely in vain.

Unless you can travel to a universe where it was actually made, there isn't one. We may know something about it, but nothing about what the end result would have really been, good or bad, ingenious or plain dumb. But yeah, it was great having you here to argue the superiority of an unmade movie you haven't seen over another movie you haven't seen. Contributed a lot. Fuckity bye.

People tend to look at me strange when we talk about movies and I start talking about box office results, comparing them and speculating about what they mean. Most people doesn't followthat stuff at all. But it really does tell interesting stories of its own, and helps to understand what movies and what kinds of movies we should expect in the future, and what we shouldn't.

Right now I know I'm going to be watching Solo struggle at the box office like a hawk, and I'm very curious what this does to the future Star Wars plans.

Absolutely. Back then I didn't pay much attention at all to the numbers. But now - especially for movies or franchises I like - I really watch the numbers. Moreso for large studios as they're completely driven by return on investment. So if you like what they're doing or like a particular franchise that they control, you better pray for big box office results if you want more of what you like.

*edit* Of course, if you want them to take an established franchise in a different direction, then there's the opposite effect: pray the numbers are bad on something you're just not digging and hope it means they try something different.

Have you heard anything about the next SW Story movie? They had planned one movie a year, a series movie then a story movie. They've held to that so far. They had Ep 7, then Rogue One, then Ep8, then SOLO. Next year is obviously Ep9, but I habven't heard anything after that. A lot of rumors like an Obi Wan movie, but that's usually coming from fan sites.

Boba Fett has a director now, the guy who made Logan. Which is good news, though I feel like he would have been a much better choice for that Obi-Wan movie. That's as much as I heard about anything after Episode IX so I assume that we'll get Boba Fett in 2020. But after that... I feel if Solo is a huge bomb it might derail Obi-Wan. And with another, still undefined trilogy announced, I wouldn't be surprised if they give it a few years rest between Fett and that trilogy.

That "one movie a year" went south very fast. Last Jedi made a ton of money, but it was still a huge dissappointment compared to Force Awakens, and very poorly received. Disney did not expect that. Now Solo bombs. It's likely they will go back to the drawing board and rethink their strategy before going forward, so as not to kill the cash cow. But of course that's all just speculation.

Force Awakens, Last Jedi, Solo, Rogue... not going to watch any of these. Like the 2017 Ghostbusters 'reboot'.

Whoever's in charge (Kathleen Kennedy i think) is doing a really poor job. Stories that don't make sense, the SJW infiltration of franchises, not being made for the fans, bad directors, retconning, poor writing (REALLY poor)...

How to take a billion dollar franchise(s) and turn it into crap...

There's no way Solo itself will turn them off flogging the franchise. They're need a few disappointments in a row to really stand back, take a break and reassess. Same with the Marvel films, which despite a couple mild speed-bumps haven't had a real disappointment yet I'd say. There's just too much potential revenue to stop trying, basically.

Now if Episode IX opens much lower than Last Jedi and Fett opens around the same as Solo or lower, then you're looking at a reassessment...

How could Fett not work?

A lot of the crap SOLO is getting is regarding the Solo in this movie not being like the Solo in the other movies. How is that gonna be a problem with Fett, WE BARELY KNOW HIM! :P

The guy has like three lines in two movies and we never even see his face. What are they possibly gonna be do in the new movie that's gonna make any of us stop and say, "No, the Boba Fett in Empire never would have done that."

As i understand JJA left a LOT of open places they could go and explore, details like how whatshername got the light saber, ren's history, who the big badguy was who we knew nothing about, Vader's mask... Now EVERY SINGLE ONE has been thrown out the window.

And there's the whole 'balance of the force' which isn't a 1:1 balance. It's more often seen in gut bacteria, where it's 15% bad and 85% good or 1:6. But that's going a little off topic.

I think the fanbase has been stung more than hard enough, that if they are smart anything that comes out they will wait on reviewers and decide after opening weekend, or not do it at all. Starwars merchandise sales has been crap for a while, some toys selling for 3 cents per because they can't sell anything. A good reflection of Disney SW in general.