Posted August 17, 2013
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Posted August 17, 2013
Why do you think it's original? Most manuscripts have chi-xi-sigma (666) while some other have indeed chi-iota-sigma (616) but there are some which have chi-xi-epsilon (665) or chi-mu-sigma (646) so it's quite difficult to say which one is the original... AFAIK most biblicists agree that 666 is the most probable
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Posted August 17, 2013
333, the mark of the Semi-Christ. Yes I've posted that before; nobody ever accused me of being original.
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Posted August 17, 2013
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The 666 is agreed on by the church partly because of the triangular neatness and symmetry (God, The Son, The Holy Spirit), and because it echos the number of Christ (888). However, the oldest manuscript recorded with the number is 616.
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Posted August 17, 2013
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The 666 is agreed on by the church partly because of the triangular neatness and symmetry (God, The Son, The Holy Spirit), and because it echos the number of Christ (888). However, the oldest manuscript recorded with the number is 616.
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Posted August 17, 2013
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The 666 is agreed on by the church partly because of the triangular neatness and symmetry (God, The Son, The Holy Spirit), and because it echos the number of Christ (888). However, the oldest manuscript recorded with the number is 616.
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Yes, it is Papyrus 115, and it is also problematic as the difference in numbers may only be due to how it is translated, but the general consensus is that it should 616. I think that by the 2'd century, the church had already done quite a lot of reforms and adaptations to what is now considered New Testament and "streamlined" bits of it. Part of this was to have neat symbolics, and 666 is just more photogenic than 616.
Anyway, the only thing I go by is the oldest manuscript it is recorded on, so it may as well be just as wrong. Still, it is a fun little useless fact. I like to collect those.
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Posted August 17, 2013
Kerang, the metal and hard rock magazine used to sell a T-shirt that read '665 - neighbour of the beast' but I always thought that it should be 664 because 665 would be 'bloke who lives over the road from the beast'!
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