It's really telling you focus on the gun thing when I was trying to point out it's a combination of factors, and said I am not an anti-gun person.

You have to find the regimen and system that works, it's not a simple thing. Are you saying people should just ignore mental illness? I don't get it.

This. Plus it doesn't help that many psych meds take a least a month to start working. Another reason why there is a huge non-compliance problem with the meds. Also, psych right now isn't the most sought after residency, so psychiatrists can be hard to find, especially good ones. Kids just take their boards, do ok and are left to pick Family, psych or IM for residency. Not saying all people in these are terrible students.

http://images.topix.com/gallery/up-6D739K6FHU63MAQJ.jpg

nasty numbers.

That's just anti-firearm rhetoric. The poster was supposedly made in 1980 by the way.

There will never be no guns in our country. It's just not gonna happen.

And this:

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
--Benjamin "gonna sleep with every girl in France" Franklin, 1775

I understand the benefits and the cost of having guns in the population and i have to admit that governments who disarm their populations does give me pause in the back of my mind....'oh i dunno that sounds so good'.?

I have to say I never feel so unsafe than when I see armed people around in the name of my safety. It's creepy and unsettling.

Oh, and I have to thank infinite9 for his amusing comments. " I suggest putting leftists under proper control". lol. That's pure gold, man! To follow talking about "fascist gun bans". Just incredible. It's good I laughed so hard because if I didn't, the idea of a gun advocat wanting people under proper control only based on their leftist political opinions would bring chills down my spine.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/18/mark-shields/pbs-commentator-mark-shields-says-more-killed-guns/

TL:DR

Shields told host Judy Woodruff, "You know, Judy, the reality is -- and it's a terrible reality -- since Robert Kennedy died in the Ambassador Hotel on June 4, 1968, more Americans have died from gunfire than died in … all the wars of this country's history, from the Revolutionary through the Civil War, World War I, World War II, in those 43 years. ... I mean, guns are a problem. And I think they still have to be confronted.


"We should note that these figures refer to all gun-fire related deaths -- not just homicides, but also suicides and accidental deaths. In 2011, about one-quarter of firearm-related deaths were homicides, according to FBI and CDC data. Using total firearm-related deaths makes the case against guns more dramatic than just using homicides alone.

Since Shields’ comparison was otherwise accurate, with about 1.4 million firearm deaths to 1.2 million in war, we rated his claim True.

He DID kill three people just with knives.....

*Sighs sadly* If the news media ever mentions gaming at all it is always negatively framed.

Even when the story is of a positive event (Unlike this tragedy >_< ) the news anchors are usually either very dismissive or out right insulting towards both those who create and play video games. (At least they are on the broadcasts where I live.)

The constant negativity from people who appear to likely have very little exposure to the topic they are discussing (Clarification: I mean the news media not the GOG forum community.) is rather depressing. T_T

With a horrible event such as this people seek a reason for it or something to blame, video gaming is an easy target for the media.
"Person X played game Y there for it made him/her do action Z" >_<
Life isn't that simple, if it was issues like this would not occur.



Sorry for the rant, all I can really say about this is I wish this hadn't happened. T_T

I generally try to stay out of these discussions, but I wanted to say a couple of things.
I try not to put blame on anyone when things like this happen. I try to think of what could be done better, and what could prevent the next mass killing, but I don't set out looking to blame anyone.
So how could we prevent the next... whatever? I've been thinking on that one since I saw Bowling for Columbine* a decade ago... I have no idea. I don't have any answers, and I'm not going to pretend that I do. I'm not that arrogant. (Am I?)

But I think I can say what is not the answer. It is not locking up the mentally ill. It is not creating a "database of lunatics". It is not forcibly medicating people. If you tried to forcibly medicate me, I can almost guarantee that I will get violent. Have you ever tried taking an anti-psychotic? Ever have an adverse reaction to a medication? Ever tried electro-convulsive therapy? These are not pleasant experiences, and I get really tired of people thinking that the mentally ill in this country should be forced to do it.
People treating the mentally ill as sub-human is something that I'm seeing more of all the time, and it makes me very nervous.

And I think pouncing on a tragedy to push political platforms probably isn't helping either. I quit using facebook because that is all I ever see anymore. A tragedy happens, every armchair politician has to think of something to say to support their side.


*An excellent film that I recommend everyone sees. I loved it when I was conservative, I loved it when I was liberal. Unlike many of Moore's other films, it doesn't set out to destroy or promote either political party - it just provokes you to think.

My two cents, there is no easy fix for something like this. gun control, video game control, all band aids for a broken limb and they won't fix a thing. This was a failure on several levels, the man had mental issues and was isolated by his own doing or others or both, there was probably bad parenting in the sense of consequences for doing something bad particularly to other people, and I don't have direct evidence on this point; but I think the police handled this badly by treating the kid with "celebrity" law enforcement (For those readers not from the US, in our country, we tend to hold our celebrities or people with extreme money to a different set of laws then the regular public). If I could change one thing it would be to make judges stand fast to punishments for celebrities. No extenuating this or retroactive that. Kill multiple people in a car accident, you lose your license and ability to gain a new license just like the rest of the masses, If the police are handling a domestic dispute, they should treat it the same no matter the people involved and investigate the situation with due diligence.

Interesting statistics:

Total Number of Gun Deaths <<not just handguns
ChartIn the United States, annual deaths resulting from firearms total

2011: 32,163
2010: 31,672
2009: 31,347
2008: 31,593
2007: 31,224
2006: 30,896
2005: 30,694
2004: 29,569
2003: 30,136
2002: 30,242
2001: 29,573
2000: 28,663
1999: 28,874

Gun Homicides (Other)
ChartIn the United States, according to figures from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI),35 annual firearm homicides (Other) total

2012: 1,859
2011: 1,708
2010: 2,026
2009: 1,924
2008: 1,906
2007: 1,821
2006: 1,461
2005: 1,626
2004: 1,189
2003: 1,068
2002: 1,260
2001: 1,062
2000: 987
1999: 891

...i am very curious why that more than doubles in decade.

Yes, yes. This is why guns are necessary. So people with issues can go on an allout shooting rampages with them and get shot by even more of those much needed guns, so they get killed right away, rather than having them go mental and systematically go out and rape, murder and dismember people, have sex with the corpses and store and eat them. Because that's the obvious next step *facepalm*

Your *facepalm* comes from a failure to see why the 2nd amendment is important. :) *double facepalm*