Now that is something that I agree with!

I do think something like that would benefit all parties concerned including the consumer

I've just checked the game (never heard of it before) and now I'm interested. Todd McFarlane doing the artwork. No MP. R.A. Salvator lore. Heck, I'm downloading the demo next thing tomorrow.

I think that is one of the things I find a major annoyance with this situation.

They sit there and complain that they are "losing money to used game sales" instead of doing the obvious thing.. which is entering the used games market >.<

I mean, come on.. selling the same game multiple times for nearly full price? It's a dream situation for them!

I agree with what you're saying, but there are some positives... Just look at Mount & Blade, The Witcher 1 & 2, Amnesia - The Dark Descent, Minecraft etc.

My big favourite is Mount & Blade, and because I truly love it I've bought several complete editions that I've given to friends of mine. One of them played M&B Warband more than 500 hours (according to Steam) - his highest total of any game he's played (and it's up there for me as well).

I don't have any statistics or anything, but that's just my experience based on participation in several pirate-heavy communities.

Even with a full digital library there are downsides related to this, like the new Anno game where you only have five activations (and changing your graphic card count as one). Like needing three accounts to play one game (one of the GTA games). Or the "one account, one save game" or "one account, one character" schemes.

yes of course there are positives like that, the independent developers most of the time do everything to be a last stand against that corruption, or games like the witcher where massive updates come out for free, or gog

but the sad truth is, customers as a whole dont care at all about the future of gaming, over the years i have seen customers accepting and even DEFENDING everything that the industry does, i wouldnt wonder when there is an agreement like "hereby you agree we rape your wife every sunday" or something and they would still defend it

Since when is the industry in such a bad shape. Did I miss some Golden Age ten years ago? The market isn't worse than 10 or even 20 years ago. It is bigger, more sophisticated. But there were many bad games back (hundreds of shitty doom clones, overpriced expansions, unimaginative sequels, overbudgeted flops).

I'm quite happy with gaming nowadays. For a pc gamer, gaming was never cheaper than today, especially if you take inflation into account. And games like Batman or DX:HR aren't only cutting edge, but also great in gameplay.

It wasn't better before, but we like to blend out the bad apples. Today there are just more games, more good and more bad.

I see this as pure BS and a money grab not unlike what we've seen with digital media being tied to accounts to prevent resale of it.

Physical products have always had resale markets and they have also always done fine just the same.

This is about greed and limiting the value of consumer purchased goods.

i am not just talking bad games, i am talking dozens of methods pissing of customers, and those where invented over the course of the years

No, not just piracy, they already started their next big fight, fight against this outdated uber-evil concept that you can buy a complete game once and play it for as long as you want without having to pay for a subscription fee or at the very least buy some DLC.

Well, they were inevetable with the advance of technology. Ten, maybe even five years ago, I would have agreed with you, but nowadays the technological advance has again alleviated much of those measures (online activation, e.g.). I completly ignored Steam until 2009, but nowadays I can't complain.

And the benefits, like Steam sales, are basically the "other side" of that coin. Without binding a game to one person, and therefore killing resale, you would never see an AAA game going for half its release price after less than two month. And, of course, not being able to resell your GOGs is essential for this site.

And, additionally, the indie market is bigger than ever before. Providing for those that have a more "refined" taste. (While my top two games of 2011 are Batman and DX, number three is probably SPAZ ;-) )

Edit: And, of course, as piracy was never easier, you can also avoid the industry altogether if you think they don't deserve your money.

I totally agree - it seems like Steam and other online distributors could make a killing off of the used games market by adopting the same agency model which has been so effective for them for first sale games. Then we'd have competition on who offers the best buying/selling experience, convenience, and cost with a used game market that the publishers, devs, retailers, and customers couldn't complain about. But hey, why set that up when complaining is so much easier? :)

i am not talking steam either, gog games are bound to my acc to, and yeah with steam i need the client, that might be inconvinient, but its not like "the devil" or something, i am talking about the whole package of things that happened step by step, and i am not saying there wherent bad things before, but today they accumulated to "the industry does what they want and customers have no rights at all"

i am glad there is a counter movement to this, and i am glad that there are publishers and indies seeing that customers should be treated as .... customers, but in general they are treated as pirates and are ok with it

note: if i sound bitter about the gaming industry it is because i am, i still love gaming and everything that has to do with it, but parts of it i hate at the same time, when i wish for a big crash it is becaus eof my love of gaming, because right now it feels as if gaming is one of those experiments like the movie "the fly" that went wrong and shut be put out of its mysery, then it can rise again from the sahes liek it did once

also i dont hate people supporting the industry how it is today, they just buy games they want to play and thats ok, how can i hate them?

Books are pretty easy to take care of for most people and in general last much longer than other media in terms of longevity - often just for the simple reason that they require no technology to read them. Even for a paperback it can take a long time to deteriorate. I have books going back 20 years, while my parents have books going back far, far longer than that. You can find some very, very old editions of books in used bookstores. Truthfully no, a seller does not have the right to money after initial sale. However, like xyem said there is no earthly reason for them not to setup their own convenient resale system that people would want to use to get loads of money.