I wonder what the PA box office results will be for the second week of nationwide release. The first week was largely because of a huge amount of hype , but now the movie ie getting a lot of flack and tons of people are calling it overrated. I know that I personally have influenced a few friends decisions not to see it in theaters after I gave my impressions (I didn't tell them not to see it, I just told them I thought it was overhyped and I was disappointed in it).

Dude, that IS scary! I hate waiting in line.... those fuckers behind you could behead you for all you know.

And there's always retired people... I mean, they have all day to go to the shops, why do they have to go when I do?

I am no expert, but I am pretty sure you have it backwards. Absolute zero is the cessation of all atomic movement, which would by definition stop time. You cannot travel through time, because like I mentioned already, time is not a place.

Well, as a general rule, I don't "believe" in anything. If something requires a leap of faith to adhere to, chances are (as in, betting odds) that it's just a quirk of the mind brought about by evolution.
IE, if someone tells you that "if religion *IS* real, then you burn for disbelieving, and I am saved", then the natural human survival instinct, playing through a basic "game theory" scenario obviously concludes that believing (read: adhering) is the logical choice. It has the same problem as the prisoners dilemna however, in that the correct solution is the one rarely chosen.

I guess I am missing something because I don't understand how that completely destroys the concept of time travel.
And abolute zero does not mean the stopping of time

Oh, yes it does. ALL atomic motion stops at absolute zero, and time can only be measured in reference to atomic motion.
The concept of time travel fails for the same reason religious debates in favor do. Anything which requires a closed, circular argument to "prove" is either something that not enough is known about to make a conclusion, or false.
Again, time is not a place, it's a measurement. You can watch all the Sliders, Dr. Who, and Primer you want, it changes nothing. Time is a MEASUREMENT. Saying you could "travel back in time" would be like saying you can travel to 12 degrees celcius, or 145 f/s velocity.
Using *any* acceptable logic, time travel is as likely as a cup jumping up from shattered glass and reforming complete with liquid in it, some of which was consumed by the dog.
Time travel would only be a recreation under any acceptable logic, it would be the exact state of X in terms of molecular movement of ALL objects and particles in the universe. The analogue would be re-creating a famous photo. Time travel in the pop culture sense is a nothing more than the laughable wet dream of so-called quantum "physicists".

you really like to pontificate don't you?

Dude, he's typing so many words, he must be right!

The argument has become hung up on definitions according to basic physics - in a theoretical absolute zero implementation, the measurement of time anjohl highlights will indeed become impossible, but that's a shortcoming on our end. If a point in the universe were to exist with absolute zero as its temperature and were observable, only inside that temperature would time measurement be impossible, and it would be obvious that the concept of time transcended its measurement.
I liked Primer.

Well, technically time is a uniquely human affair. File it next to music or sensation, it's just a product of our unique sensory perception, and the measurements we use to quantify them.
I am not in the habit of debating with Scifi fans over their wildest dreams, since their bias permeates the entire course of debate, but NO PROVEN science accepts or allows for time travel of ANY sort. Slowing or pausing time is already possible, relatively speaking. A fridge or freezer certainly slows time relative to the contents of said device.
Time travel is the stuff of science FICTION, and post-Hedron, post-Bosun failure, you will all realize the truth.

I wasn't trying to defend time travel, but rather the concept of time and its passage. I don't understand why time is technically a human affair - music and sensation are products of perception in that we can make some interesting sense out of them, but they are still very real physical occurrences that are unaffected by our perception. A very loud noise is going to move objects and scare animals, regardless of how I perceive it. Time is also something that is undeniably in some sort of motion (I don't have a better word at the moment), regardless of the measurements that we use to make sense out of it... right?

Time is motion, motion is energy. Atomic motion (necessary for motion on a larger scale) is heat above 0K (-273.15° C).

well you're the one who got all indepth about discussing time travel just from someone briefly mentioning it. Nobody here had even said travelling to the past was totally possible. I honestly don't know why you even went to such lengths talking about time travel in the first place

Because some people here are very anal about trying to show off how amazingly genius they are.
Weirdly though, it only makes you come off as a dick.
And Primer is a movie. Movies don't have to be true, unless you're the science nerd who gets all angry when he sees Ghostbusters with those proton packs and says how it's all fake and it's not real.

The problem with your rebuttal is that *we* are an animal. Music does not exist independant of a sensory organ to percieve it. And I am not going all Descarte here, it's just plain logical truth.

First off, to address the child's flame attack on me: I have never knowingly or intentionally tried to demonstrate a superiority of person on this site, in any discussion, outside my devilish conversations on "Gearbox" thread. If you percieve my superiority of LOGIC as an attakc on YOU or anyone else, perhaps that's an issue of self esteem you should deal with. Losing an argument should *never* be considared a defeat, and the true enlightened person (Which I make no claim to be) is the person who takes every "defeat" as a learning experience, or at worst, just an experience.
I have nothing to prove in terms of my intelligence, it's been tested, and has confirmed my personal suspicions time and time again. The issue here is when theoreteical science is used to create the illusion of something that becomes to popular, that otherwise intelligent people spend a lot of time talking about it's properties, and how it could come about. It's fake.
I admit, time travel makes for interesting subject material, just as an abstract logic puzzle, which was definitely the case with Primer, but personally, I find REALITY altering fiction such as Butterfly Effect (A grossly underrated film) to be much more intriguing.
Time is a measurement of atomic motion, not a place. Case closed.