pimpmonkey2382: Yeah I'd help and not give a shit if I got in trouble doing it.
This.
I'd ask the kid if that's his dad and if the kids told me the man is not his dad, I'd call the police and let them sort it out while holding the man off physically.
I already feel like shit for not doing more to help out the homeless I encounter on a daily basis because of my "busy life". I'm not sure if I could live with myself if I wasn't the type of person who would at least help a kid vs a potential kidnapper.
Niggles: sorry but not helping your fellow human being cause ur scared of getting into trouble is a weak excuse
Call my expectations ridiculously high, but I think most people don't help their fellow human being at various point when they could really use the help because it's inconvenient.
I'd say the argument can be made on the degree of not helping.
I'll agree that letting a child get kidnapped is pretty far off the end of that scale.
QC: It's tricky to be sure. If you do something good, you risk having done something wrong too. In the US, if someone attacks you and they surrender, then you haven't the right to continue fighting. That goes from self defense to assault.
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This doesn't mean it's right. The best I can say is that in the right situation, that I know for all certainty that whatever is happening is wrong, and that I can put a stop to it without being a victim myself, then I will act in public interest, and not self interest. Otherwise, it's too dangerous to act otherwise.
If it's physical harm you're afraid of, it's understandable, but hiding behind the law is a poor excuse at best.
The law will only get you so far.
There's a reason why laws are constantly changing as opposed to immutable. It's because laws are just a mean to an end and not an end.
Law is good, but good reasoning skills are golden.
If the law prevents you from saving a child from a kidnapper, then the law is wrong plain and simple and quite frankly, I'd hate to be the judge who sentences the rescuer because he will never hear the end of it from outraged citizens.
F4LL0UT: Agreed. That woman only had pepper spray, things could have gotten much worse than that. I've seen people spontaneously "help" others by hitting and kicking the shit out of someone on several occasions, two times to such a degree that I seriously feared for the original perpetrator's life.
Depends on the circumstances, but I think it's justified in extreme cases.
Unless you're an expert or have good tools to subdue without harm, I'd personally advocate using deadly force once someone causes direct bodily harm to someone else and give indication that they don't mean to stop.
Once someone gets that violent, he's just a liability to everyone around him and needs to be put down. If you use less than deadly force, you just risk him turning his wrath on you.
At some point, the best defense is unfortunately a killer offense.