Hallo,

ich habe mal wieder Never Winter Nights 1 ausgebuddelt und wollte mal mich mal mit einem Magier versuchen.
Meine Startattribute wären wohl:

Stärke: 10

Geschick: 14 (Hab eigentlich nicht vor Bögen oder Armtitten zu nutzen, sonst wärs 16)

Konstitution: 16 Damit man ein wenig durchhält

Intelligenz: 16 oder vll doch 18?

Weisheit: 10

Charisma: 10

Wäre das ok so ?
Danach alle neuen Punkte absolut nur in INT ?
Habe auch beide Addons, daher will ich natürlich auch in den Epischen rein und das pure Magie.

Welche Zauber sollte ich definitiv und unumgänglich lernen ?
Welche sollte ich tunlichst vermeiden ?

Allgemeine Vorschläge ?

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Hello,

since I just dug out my old NWN1 Gold I wanted to restart the game and try a pure mage.
My starting attributes will be about those:

STR: 10
DEX: 14 (don't think about using Bows or Crossbows, except for those immunes)


CON: 16 so I can survive a bot


INT: 16 or should I directly go 18?


WIS: 10


CHA: 10

Would that be okay ?
All points coming only INT? Even after Level 20 ?

What spells should I definitly learn and which should I leave away ?

Your stats should be fine.

Some important spells at first, IMO, are magic missle, ghostly visage, summon creature. I'm sure there are many different ways people deal with spells though.

thanks :)
And what about traits and feats or what ever they are called in the english version ? ^^

Stats, well, everything depends on what sort of mage you want to be. But the general idea of 16 or 18 INT and always increasing INT is good yes.

Feats are silent extend empower and maximise, more so for the fact they allow you to manage your spell book than for they're actual effects, tho a maximised IGMS is hard to beat and extending protective spells early in life is very useful. ;)

I would also get spell focus feats, but not spell penetration feats if you are going pure. Necromancy and illusion is a very good combination for lots of instant death spells (be an illusionist when selecting spell schools). Enchantment or necromancy are both powerful tho you will meet immune enemies every now and again so keep a few IGMS memorized.

Other vital spells are protective ones (prot from alignment, mage armour, ghostly visage, stoneskin, improved invisiblity, gtr stoneskin, shadow shield, premonition, lesser mind blank, lesser spell mantle and spell mantle (not the greater one, empowering a spell mantle is better than greater spell mantle;) ), epic mage armour, epic warding)

Have fun :) Useful NWN Links

Will see if I manage to find the german counterparts for those, since some stuff is translated a bit... different...

But I should take those talents, that move a lower spell to a higher level ?
I always left them out, since they take a place up in the spell book...
for which should I use this ?

I see you have a thread on Bioware as well, but I'll reply here because that one looks to be going off topic already. But feel free to Private Message me on Bioware social site if you like. And don't worry about asking questions about language. I am a language teacher soooo I can always find a different way to explain :) Unfortunately German is not one of the languages I speak but I am sure we will be ok. Your English seems very proficient. :)

We call those feats (talents) that move spells to higher levels, metamagic feats, and they are very important (except quicken, because haste does the same thing). Extend is very useful for the actual effect it has - x2 duration. Wonderful for protective spells. Still is useful if you wear armour but your character won't, so you want silent spell. Silent is very important so you can have more of the attacking spells you are good at.

For example, I have a wizard 26/assassin 13/shadowdancer 1, called Skia tou Thanatou (Shadow of Death) and she has epic spell focus in Illusion and Necromancy. If you look at this NWNwiki page on wizards you can see that the best attacking and [url=http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Necromancy]necromancy spells are:

lvl1 colour spray (ILL)
lvl4: Phantasmal killer (ILL)
lvl4: Fear (NEC)
lvl7: Finger of Death (NEC)
lvl8: Mass blindness/deafness (ILL)
lvl9: Wail of the Banshee (NEC)
lvl9: Weird (ILL)

At lvl 1 I have protections from alignment (both of them), mage armour, True strike and lots of colour spray

At lvl2 I could have lots more extended colour spray, but I have enough and darkness is more useful for this character because of her assassin abilities. BUT web and extended grease keep the enemy away from her, which can be useful, So I use web and extended grease here

At lvl 3 I have extended cat's grace, endurance and now extend my darkness spells.

At lvl4 I have phantasmal killers. Lots and lots of them. ;)

At lvl 5 I can use lesser mind blank and lesser spell mantle and extended improved invisibility but no other spells are useful to my character, so it is better to have more silent phantasmal killer and extended fear at lvl5.

At lvl6 I can use Bigby's forceful hand (very good anti mage spell), IGMS (Isaccs greater missile storm... very good against single opponents and those immune to death or fear), true seeing and maybe greater stoneskin and globe of invulnerability, but every other spell slot might as well be empowered phantasmal killer because this is what she is good at.

At Lvl7 I have shadow shield, some spell mantles, and lots of finger of death

At lvl8 I have a couple of mass blindness and lots of silent finger of death and one greater sanctuary (So I can run away if it all goes wrong ;) )

At lvl9 I have lots of wail (because it is better than weird), and mordenkainens disjunction (Best dispelling spell in the game, very important).

I might have missed out a few other spells she uses for protection but I hope you get the idea? This character is specialised in two schools and so has twice as many very strong spells as a mage with epic skill focus in only one school, and yet she still needs to use metamagic feats to get the maximum number of powerful spells into spell slots. The metamagic feats also allow her to have enough of the useful low level spells like darkness and web and grease.

With Skia I don't need maximise unless I want maximised IGMS, and I have wail at lvl9 so I didn't take maximise. (She hardly uses empower either.) So it is not true that every wizard needs ALL the metamagic feats, but in most cases, they are incredibly important. (All sorcerers need all metamagic feats tho, but sorc vs wizard is a different conversation *smiling*).

So, really, my best advice is decide what type of mage you want to be, work out what spells are very powerful for you and then you will see which metamgic feats are most useful. If you take only one spell focus, enchantment perhaps, you will probably want them all so you can have IGMS at lvl 6, 7, 8, and 9 because in the end, very few enemies can resist this spell.

Phew.. sunday morning essay writing ;) .. hope that helps.

Have fun :)

thanks :)
Will try those. All except penetration stuff (dunno the english one hehe), I have read on another topic, are good to take ?

Atm I am okay with my mage, even without those metas ^^

Also I did not spec into one school, since as a mage I can read scrolls a lot :> and can have everything.

I am doing quite well atm. will see how I am doing later.

Thanks for the Idea Exportforce... I tried a mage last week and died all the time... I think I do now know how to set him up correctly ;)

Vielen, vielen Dank :)