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Engerek01: 1. What happened to oil prices when ISIS became a thing?
2. Who is buying that oil?
3. Who benefit from the drop of oil prices, who was harmed?
4. Where is ISIS buying their weapons?

These are simple questions that is not a secret. If you can bravely answer them, you will see the source of problem.
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k4ZE106: 1. They've been dropping (unrelated to ISIS)
2. USA, China, India, Japan (the biggest oil importers, according to the statistics).
3. Mainly oil importers, although value might be dubious for some, since it also cripples domestic oil production. The losers in this are mainly OPEC nations + Russia.
4. Apparently, at least to some degree Eastern Europe and the greater Middle East: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/27/weapons-flowing-eastern-europe-middle-east-revealed-arms-trade-syria
China and India are buying?? Link the source please. I thought we got our oil (mainly)from Iran.
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Shadowstalker16: China and India are buying?? Link the source please. I thought we got our oil (mainly)from Iran.
I was talking globally. India is among the biggest net oil importers, so it is set to benefit from low oil prices overall.
*** NEWS ***

A few French mainstream medias (BFM, Le Monde, Europe 1) have decided today to not publish the pictures of the terrorists anymore or even tell their names.

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The pro side : They don't want to turn the terrorists into "stars/heroes" among the jihad supporters or giving them the same media exposure than the victims.

The anti side : Doing this won't diminish the amount of upcoming attacks and it would only help the conspiracy theories among the population (like the recent controversy about the videotapes of Nice)

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What's your point of view on this decision?

EDIT: For the pro/anti arguments see the article links I gave to Menmon further in the thread
Post edited July 27, 2016 by catpower1980
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catpower1980: What's your point of view on this decision?
Totally the right thing to do. We've been funding their PR via our morbid desire for detail for too long. They didn't do this attack to kill a priest, they did it to get the headlines.
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Shadowstalker16: China and India are buying?? Link the source please. I thought we got our oil (mainly)from Iran.
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k4ZE106: I was talking globally. India is among the biggest net oil importers, so it is set to benefit from low oil prices overall.
Oh ok, I thought you meant importers / buyers from ISIS.
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catpower1980: What's your point of view on this decision?
Not the way to go.
''Bringing more coverage to the victims'' is a meaningless statement. Its something people say to signal boost after a tragedy. Also, putting random people's obituaries on the news has no value. A news channel should report on news, and let the spiritual or national channels do the mourning.

Hiding the identity seems to be a measure to try to shut up right wing parties who would claim immigrants did it. Again, people deserve to know. If they don't want to glorify the attackers, then maybe teach people who do to be more human. EDIT; Also, not providing information may make it easier to drive people into thinking crimes not committed by immigrants / refugees were committed by them.

And of course, information about how well such attacks are handled and from which section of the population the attackers come from is required for the people to elect reps who will help the problem areas / communities better. How can elections be a good way of changing a current shitty situation if you don't know anything about how or why the current situation exists?
Post edited July 27, 2016 by Shadowstalker16
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catpower1980: What's your point of view on this decision?
Very bad. As @Shadowstalker16 said, people deserve to know that these things are caused by Islamist terrorists. This is a plot to cover this up and make ignorant people think that religion has nothing to do with this.

Fortunately, I don't watch nor read these media outlets, but I hope others won't follow.
As @Shadowstalker16 said, people deserve to know that these things are caused by Islamist terrorists.
Which, by what catpower said (what's the source of that news?), they'd still report in a case of terrorism. What's withheld are names and photos of the people responsible in an attempt to, I guess, not grant them martyr / celebrity status within the Western media. They are turned into anonymous terrorists, not individuals.

So I get the idea - but I am not sure it'll do much given that names and photos will still appear on the internet, on social media, on other media. In the end it's more about the ethics and editorial guidelines of the papers participating - and it is fair enough to let it be their decision.
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timppu: To me it matters how much a religion seems to get on with the times. For instance, for Christianity in Finland, I recall the old debates here whether a woman really can be a priest (my understanding is that the Bible suggests no?), yet nowadays it is quite normal at least here to have female priests
Finland is quite progressive on that end for a Christian country though. The German Catholic church still doesn't accept Female bishops. The Vatican itself put out a decree in May 2008 (the last time it was debated officially) asserting that female priests are against the faith and that any bishop who ordains a women is to be excommunicated.

Also don't forget that Islam is present in far more countries than just the Middle East. Albania and Azerbaijan (more than half the population indicates that religion doesn't play a major role in their life) but also Bosnia (though Saudia Arabia heavily sponsors a more radical version of Islam there lately) are among the more secular Muslim countries. Those do exist. See also Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan. Also note just as there's a quite large variety of Christian sub-divisions, so is the case with Muslims. Some of those Christian sub-divisions are far from progressive (and I'd definitely count the US' religious right as a pretty regressive force). Iran was a really secular country once. As was Afghanistan. As was Egypt.
During the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, the government of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) reformed the education system; education was stressed for both sexes, and widespread literacy programmes were set up. By 1978, women made up 40 percent of the doctors and 60 percent of the teachers at Kabul University; 440,000 female students were enrolled in educational institutions and 80,000 more in literacy programs.Despite improvements, large percentage of the population remained illiterate.
[Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Afghanistan]

I've been in Palestine, criss-crosing the borders on bicycle, trying to see what was done for peace on either side and cycling wherever people sent me - and would argue that there's a sizeable amount of the westernised version of Muslim faith, there, too. Including Women as co-CEO, wearing hair open, in trousers and shirts - whom you wouldn't pick out as Muslim in a general crowd in a Western City. Visited practice sessions of modern Dance troupes where body contact between the Genders is unquestioned and normal.
Post edited July 27, 2016 by Mnemon
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Mnemon: what catpower said (what's the source of that news?)
Two main sources:
Le Soir (Belgian mainstream newspaper):
http://www.lesoir.be/1277038/article/actualite/france/2016-07-27/des-medias-francais-decident-ne-plus-diffuser-photos-des-terroristes
the Swiss press agency ATS
http://www.romandie.com/news/Des-medias-ne-publieront-plus-de-photos-des-auteurs-dattentats_RP/724193.rom

As i follow the French news and actvities on social media it's not surprising as the discussion on this was brought up by various personalities yesterday (Bernard-Henry Levy 's tweet was even the most mentioned and discussed I think).
https://twitter.com/BHL/status/757885183911718912

In general, for "minor" events like this, I don't expect it to be reported by English-speaking mainstream medias and as most of people here can't read French, I don't feel the need to put links to articles. But I can do so (putting french-speaking articles) if people wish for it....
Neither do I - but I genuinely couldn't find it mentioned in any language I am able to read reasonably well :).
Disturbing news about the Ansbach bomber:
https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/758033920411787265

IS has run a full-page profile about him in one of their jihad magazines...according to them he was a long-time jihadi who had fought with Islamist groups in Iraq even before the outbreak of civil war in Syria in 2011.
That guy seems to have flown totally under the radar of German intelligence services (though he was known to authorities for drug dealing etc.).
Great....
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The Munich shooting is missing from the list. Too bad, because the gunman, Ali Sonboly, was basically Bradley and ciomalau's mpreg babby -- a "racially impure" European desperately wishing to prove himself a Real Aryan. (Or so says faz.net, an allegedly rightwing site, so, probably true.)
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AlienMind: To all Muslim immigrants: Your religion seems to breed violence.
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tinyE: Can you name one religion that doesn't?

I can think of one: Wicca. After that I'm out of guesses.
I know what you mean but I'm having a hard time remembering somebody crying "Christus" while cutting someone's head off.
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tinyE: Can you name one religion that doesn't?

I can think of one: Wicca. After that I'm out of guesses.
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AlienMind: I know what you mean but I'm having a hard time remembering somebody crying "Christus" while cutting someone's head off.
I do remember christians blowing up hospitals and such.