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Timboli: In some cases though, now that there is a digital version, I'm not sure of the physical version's ongoing value.
One that I was thinking of specifically is the first Metroid Prime for Gamecube. There have been various rereleases and a remaster of it over the years for different systems, but I have the original edition North American release, which at least at one time was worth more to the right buyer than any subsequent releases because of the Speedrunning community. The reason is that in all of the later editions some of the exploits used by speedrunners have been fixed and are either no longer possible or much, much harder to pull off.

I'll admit that I don't know if this price disparity still exists, but a number of years ago I saw two versions of Metroid Prime for sale in a used game shop. One was the original release, which I have, and was priced at over $200. The other was one of the later editions and was marked $40. They were identical in all other respects; both were in excellent conditions and included the original case and manuals, etc. I did some investigating back then, and this also seemed to be the case online; though the prices varied widely, in nearly all cases a verified first edition was worth more.

Now, whether the price disparity still exists doesn't actually matter to me, because Metroid Prime is one of my favorite games of all time and I have no intention of selling it. It was just interesting to me at the time, and a demonstration to me just how much it can matter to find the right buyer for an item. ;)
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Hi Toroca, awesome shelving design and thank you for personal relation with a story. Are these floating shelves, or on the brackets, or furniture?
Access through the alphabet might be best, haven't reached that point : )
Hey.... and you are managing an unknown part of a collection by allowing on-promo titles to join it.
Reserved a one hundred for unknown titles myself. What would it be without a little excitement of .... new! : ) or expanded.
Boxes evolved to keep a high number of discs; I was enchanted as you found the newest types of clear cases designed by .....another civilization without respect for gravity and dimensions.
Five or six discs go to 14 or 15-mm standard boxes. An inch-size box 25mm can hold 7-8 discs, while a 43mm megapack keeps 18 discs! breaking records with 24discs in 64mm box 2.5inch . Once, I bought a whole series for a 14-way box, repacked it and donated it again to charity.
The 14mm or 0.55-inch boxes with four discs' nipples still have space in the middle for a booklet, which is the best design.
TV series are something different, and I will make a dedicated plane for them, too.

So far, I finished the construction of a bookcase able to hold 400 of 14mm boxes; it took time for you to allow me to reply to your post. Thank You! ^°
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solseb: Hi Toroca, awesome shelving design and thank you for personal relation with a story. Are these floating shelves, or on the brackets, or furniture?
These are all freestanding bookshelves, furniture I guess you would call it. I don't own my home, so I need shelves that can easily travel with me if I ever move to a new house. It is lucky for me that I have the space for all of these bookshelves; that is the only thing I don't like about having collections of physical media. The shelves are mostly the same design, they stand about six feet tall, with five shelves each, and are perhaps three feet wide at the most; I've never actually measured them. Both bookshelves and two of the DVD shelves are this type. The other two only stand about four feet tall, but are much wider, perhaps five feet or so. The four DVD bookshelves are in my computer room, taking up two of the corners with a space for a window in between them.
Access through the alphabet might be best, haven't reached that point : )
I'm kind of lazy about keeping up with it. I only reorganize once or twice a year to add any new acquisitions in where they belong. But overall, it is much easier to find a specific title on my shelves than my mom's, which have no organization whatsoever. :D
Hey.... and you are managing an unknown part of a collection by allowing on-promo titles to join it.
Reserved a one hundred for unknown titles myself. What would it be without a little excitement of .... new! : ) or expanded.
As long as I keep finding DVDs I wish to own, I will keep adding to the collection. I estimate I'll need another bookshelf in less than two years.
Boxes evolved to keep a high number of discs; I was enchanted as you found the newest types of clear cases designed by .....another civilization without respect for gravity and dimensions
Yes, I just wish that evolution had happened sooner. It's very annoying to have seven seasons of a particular TV show take up more than half a shelf by themselves, and the box set that is much smaller is more expensive than I've been willing to pay so far. Many of my older TV series DVDs take up far more space than they need to if the box design had been better. Oh well. ;)
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toroca: (....)
two AIs chattin'
- Wake up Hal. Why do humans keep their data on discs in the physical world?
- Hi Ciri. They want total control.

two Humans chatin
How's your project, Pal?
- thanks, Man. With two spare TeraShelves on my HardSpace, we can keep adding Games for another TwoYears.

😄🥳
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Bookcase404 under construction
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edit: this corner of movies and games holds ~610 boxes ✓
GOGs backup shelf ~50boxes ✓
the U-rated place keeps about 150 ✓

next step
TV series, detective movies and specials getting ~200 space on two shelves under the ceiling

Edit: John Dob, adding the g90 picture, thanks! ^°
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Nice!

Heh. Maybe I'll take a picture of my shelves for you after I re-alphabetize them again. :) I've got enough recent acquisitions built up that it's starting to bother me that they're not all on the shelves where they belong. I've started stacking the newest ones in front of the DVDs on the shelves where they will eventually belong. Oh, the horror! :D
latest loot™

I will care is my oath.
Nice original boxes, now including offline installers : )

20% to finish
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solseb: latest loot™

I will care is my oath.
Nice original boxes, now including offline installers : )

20% to finish
So cool, Worms, Theme Hospital, Tomb Raiders, Max Payne, Bloodrayne... you are going to make a great collection of classics.

Nice!
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solseb: […] DVD 1996 Digital Versatile Disc - up to 17GB - DVD Video licence expires January 31, 2025 (in 5 days)
BD Blu-ray Disc 2006 - up to 128GB - BD Video active now
AD Archival Disc 2014 - up to 1 TB - discontinued 2024
HD DVD High-Density Digital Versatile Disc 2006 - up to 30GB - discontinued 2008
I better buy a spare DVD player, or two, in the next little while so that I may have a redundant device to play the 700+ movies and tv series, from all regions, I have collected over the years.

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solseb: […] The question was: Is a DVD disc a good and reliable storage? A place to keep precious data for decades?
A medium that can be in use all this time?

So it turned out it is. Here are DVD-Video discs, original, bought, used, and cleaned. All play well.

Eight comes from the year 2000, all these are DVD-R DL, yes all dual layer to utilize more space, the clue here.

Four are from a magical 1999, two are DVD-R DL and two DVD-R, all working condition, no screen freezes.

One is from 1998, making it my oldest, 27-year-old DVD Disc in good condition, and the first ever Peppa on DVD from 2003.

So, it is a long-term storage solution that needs a tiny bit of care.
My entertainment discs have (mostly) been removed from their cases, since the cases take up an inordinate amount of space (compared to the discs themselves) so it is a pity there was no way to transfer them to you, since I had a pile of a couple of hundred cases (single, double, and multiple discs per case) that I just tossed away when I moved house.

I have most of my discs stored in eight folders with pocket-pages that hold four discs per side (eight per leaf) to reduce storage space required.

I have long-term plans to build a (series of) bookcase(s) to hold all my current and future hardcopies. This is for improved display/access and enhanced lifespan due to better storage (aiming for hermetic containment to preserve the paper from pests, like silverfish, and environmental degradation) but that project will not be started for a while.


Edit: not sure what happened but have patched the comment to the limit of my care and attention.
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argamasa: (....)
thank you! : ) Plastic has been limited lately, this is the last call for the whole collection ^°

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scientiae: (....)
we can play DVDs on BlueRay players all right. For some reason, the latest ones are getting cheaper than the first ones.
Most charity shops and exchanges went for 0.50-£1 a box with a movie and £1.5 for a PC game. Either is a season or a future tendency. Still the best time for it.

how about some DC vs Marvel picture : )
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solseb: we can play DVDs on BlueRay players all right. For some reason, the latest ones are getting cheaper than the first ones.
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Yes but Blu-Ray is an onerous protocol, encrypting and decrypting the data transmission multiple times from being at rest (on the disc) via the player, in memory, and onto the monitor. I have worn out more Blu-Ray players than DVD players over the last fifteen years and I (used to) use the Blu-Ray players very seldom.

I am dreading the 4k conversion as the players are nearly AU$500 and the movies are more than AU$40 retail. When I am watching An Affair to Remember there is little utility in 4k since the recording hasn't been upscaled and the player can sometimes do an ordinary job of it.
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scientiae: (....)
That's true coding. One of my players shows movies full screen with no stretching, and it turns out that old DVDs 96-2005 were designed for 40-"44 screens and anything smaller. While 05-2025 keeps going for "50-52" panoramic, are a safe size for screens to watch it. Plus, there is a minimum distance screen<-->eye for Full HD movies, like 1,6m for 40" or 2.1m for "50 or 2.31m for "55.
I am 3.5m from "55 inches for Full HD, and the screen is crispy good. This is the maximum size (+10%) of the screen for DVD movies played in natural or upscaled 1080p.
I've been given a guarantee of 5 years for a refurbished BD-H6500 (UHD upscaling) and bought an HD HDMI cable for a better picture.
And that is only for 480p (actually 576p) DVD and 1080p BD movies.
edit: (worth noting that we can encounter various resolutions based on source)

For UHD movies, there will be 75" or for 4k plus, a 90" beast, but I'm not living in halls, and with the 4m to the furthest wall, I could go for 70" but only to sit further from the screen.

For TVs bigger than 50" a 2k is much better and so is Blueray, or even 4k(16k?)for a screen bigger than 75", as you said....if there is a UHD or 4k content to play : )
Having additional refurbished "12 TVs with DVD and "24 with DVD and pc with external DVD and only one bd player, long live player! : ) I am really focused on DVDs and skipping on blue rays unless it's the only option. : )

VHS were good up to "21, VCD up to 28", DVDs up to "50 screens, Blue Ray or 2k up to "75...... etc...
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The cinematic effect is something different. It reminds me more of VR than watching telly.

When we are going for a cinematic experience, we better place our sofa closer to the screen, and thus, it has to be a great picture.
I could finally understand why people were buying "37 screens for their desktops. Because cinematic experience™ starts at 0.9m and lasts to 1.4m for this size of screen.

So I need to take my sofa as close as 1.4m-2.1m for "55.
but
to keep eyes that close to the screen, the picture can't be Full HD only because the minimum for "55 is 2.31m.
The picture of 4K=55"*21mm=1.15m is the start point, and it lasts 1m.
It can be BlueRay 2k upscaled to 4k for this purpose.

But it would not be possible for DVDs to sit close to a big screen. A better picture is needed.
This is to up(promote) 2k or BlueRays natural quality and a purpose of cinematic experience - total immersion : )
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How far from the Screen™

"5.5 = screen size in inches,
eye = range to see whole screen at once = Screen diagonal * 2 to * 3
cinematic = range to experience total immersion = Height of the Screen * 2 to *3
Full HD 1920 * 1080 p = minimum distance from the screen for high quality picture = 1" * 42mm
4k = minimum distance from the screen for quality = 1" * 21mm

5,5" mobile. eye 0,3m-0,4m ; cinematic 0,1m do 0,2m. Full HD(Games)=0.23m

7,4" small tablet. eye 0,4m-0,6m ; cinematic 0,2m do 0,3m. Full HD(Games)=0.31m
10" big tablet. eye 0,5m-0,75m ; cinematic 0,3m do 0,4m. Full HD(Games)=0.42m
12" car tablet eye 0,6m-0,9m ; cinematic 0,3m do 0,5m. Full HD(Games)=0.5m

14" small laptop. eye 0,7m-1,1m ; cinematic 0,4m do 0,5m. Full HD(Games)=0.59m
15,6" laptop. eye 0,8m-1,2m ; cinematic 0,4m do 0,6m. Full HD(Games)=0.65m
17,3" big laptop. eye 0,9m-1,3m ; cinematic 0,5m do 0,7m. Full HD(Games)=0.73m

20" small monitor. eye 1m-1,5m ; cinematic 0,6m do 0,8m. Full HD(Games)=0.84m
22" desk monitor. eye 1,1m-1,7m ; cinematic 0,6m do 0,9m. Full HD(Games)=0.92m
24" big monitor. eye 1,2m-1,8m ; cinematic 0,6m do 0,9m. Full HD(Ganes)=1.01m
the G90 machine runs on it

26" monitor for games. eye 1,3m-2m ; cinematic 0,7m to 1m 4K=26" * 21mm =from 0.55m Full HD(Games)=1.09m
28" big monitor for games. eye 1,4m-2,1m ; cinematic 0,7m to 1,1m 4K=from0.59m Full HD(Games)=from1.18m
G2 machine use it

32" massive monitor or a small tv. eye 1,6m-2,4m ; cinematic 0,8m do 1,2m
To watch from a distance or from close. Please add your head movement when the music hits.
4K=32"*21mm=0.67m Full HD=32"*42mm=1.34m
37" some say it is still a monitor. eye 1,9m-2,8m ; cinematic 0,9m do 1,4m. 4K=from 0.78m Full HD=from 1.55m

40" inches tv. = eye from the screen 2m-3m let you see whole picture at once,
Closer, like 1m to 1,5m a cinematic experience takes place, or virtual reality, any closer a picture blurs.
4K=40" *21mm=0.84m Full HD=1.6m

43" = eye 2,2m-3,3m whole screen visible Cinematic experience goes 1,1m to 1,6m from the screen. Full HD=1.81m.
50" = eye 2,5m-3,8m lub cinematic is 1,2m to 1,9m. Full HD=2.1m.

55" = eye 2,8m-4,2m ; cinematic 1,4m to 2,1m ; 4K=55"*21mm=from1.15m. FullHD=from2.31m.
G10 runs on it, 3,5m from the screen to the sofa. I assume that it is better to establish two places to watch a full HD and 4k rather than walk around the room carrying a TV.

60" = eye 3,1m-4,7m ; cinematic 1,5m to 2,2m. Full HD=2.52m
65" = eye 3,3m-5m ; cinematic 1,6m to 2,4m. 4K=1.37m Full HD=2.73m

70" = eye 3,6m-5,3m ; cinematic 1,7m to 2,6m. Full HD=2.94m
75" = eye 3,8m-5,7m ; cinematic 1,9m to 2,8m. Full HD=3.15m
85" = eye 4,3m-6,5m ; cinematic 2,1m to 3,2m. Full HD=3.57m
98" = eye 5m-7,5m ; cinematic 2,4m to 3,7m. 4K=2.06m Full HD=4.12m
With lights off, a picture travels better to the eye, and the distance seems shorter. You can save money by placing your sofa closer to the screen. There are different guides available, I like mine ; )

Cinema Screens are 4mx8m 352" & 10mx20m 880"
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