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Posted 3 days ago
I ended up selling my 7900 XTX for the same price I bought it for. It was a fun toy, but I decided it was complete overkill for what I was using it for. No complaints about its performance, but I game at 1440p, and it really is a 4K card. I put my 6700 XT back in, and maybe I'll check out the next flagship AMD puts out. Currently the RTX 5000 and RX 9000 series is not really of interest to me. I don't know of any behemoth games coming out right now that won't run on my 6700 XT or 3070 (laptop), and I'll be playing GTA 6 on Xbox of course.

And I forgot what a horrible experience selling used PC components is.. So many lowball offers, stupid questions and kids asking if they can buy it on long-term down payment.
Posted 3 days ago
Actually interesting, the 5090 is... i think we would have guessed it... a heavily cut down chip, because the "almost full die" got over 24 000 cores; which is way more than what a 5090 for "poor gamers" got to offer; not much more than 21 000 or more than 20% lesser cores. In some cases even more cores may become missing because those cards are actually way to broken to be of any good use in a AI-whatelse environment (probably the 10-20% worst case chips)... so it got its uses for gamers.

Interesting video "This is Nvidias World":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy1_9dcToJU

Sure... a 24 000+ core "true Blackwell" chip can be run at probably lesser than 600 W and still offer more performance. Because for the "cut down" 5090 to be able to deliver its known performance... the GPU is running at a spec which is bad for efficiency!

This i can proof the easy way... because, if we would limit the power of a 5090 to around 450 W, it will use around 30% lesser power but the performance will only decrease around 15%. Actually, the cards "true design" is around 450 W, not 600 W (600 W is true Blackwell spec), but the card would barely exceed the 4090 at the "native specs" so they was clocking it up until it burns i assume.

Simply how it is... gamers actually are getting "garbage Titan chips" and in relative term cost a super load of coins. Although... indeed... the datacenter industry is paying a price equal to a average Tesla car... for each card. They simply got the bucks... a common human can only dream of.

Most likely, if a full scale chip is used, with 96 GB VRAM (so 32 GB is nothing)... but at the "sweet spot" for efficiency... it may use lesser power and still offer more performance vs. a 5090. This is the stuff the AI industry is using...

We simply did lose the value of money... it is soon worth not much more than garbage counted upwards with monstrous numbers.

Of course, i now found so many reasons to give my "thumb down" on what i unfortunately have to see... no need to bother me anymore... this stuff simply is not tasty.

But of course... the RTX 5080 and "lesser" is a own chip for gamer only... because a chip can not be so broken that it may need over 50% of its cores "deactivated"... this is the reason why it got less than half the cores... it simply is a small budget chip, yet at a high price as usual.

The entire matter is just disgusting... to much greed, to less heart and humbleness.
Post edited 3 days ago by Xeshra
Posted 2 days ago
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Random_Coffee: I ended up selling my 7900 XTX for the same price I bought it for. It was a fun toy, but I decided it was complete overkill for what I was using it for. No complaints about its performance, but I game at 1440p, and it really is a 4K card. I put my 6700 XT back in, and maybe I'll check out the next flagship AMD puts out. Currently the RTX 5000 and RX 9000 series is not really of interest to me. I don't know of any behemoth games coming out right now that won't run on my 6700 XT or 3070 (laptop), and I'll be playing GTA 6 on Xbox of course.

And I forgot what a horrible experience selling used PC components is.. So many lowball offers, stupid questions and kids asking if they can buy it on long-term down payment.
Seriously?

That amazes me to be frank :)

who knows, maybe after my 3090Ti experience i also will go with something lesser tiered..

Anyways.

just had a rofl moment i was about to share,

A 5090 with to many ROP's has also been sighted according to an article in OC3D
according to the articel Techpowerup noticed this...
the gains, about 8% for the ROG astral
Posted 2 days ago
Another observation

22 different branded 5090's available at my favourite hardware store in the Netherlands atm!

such a difference compared with only a couple of weeks ago

The cheapest actually goes for only 3000! euros, 3099 to be more precise for the Inno3d!
The most expensive goes for 4899 - MSI SUPRIM

no other high tiered cards such as the ASTRAL or the MASTER available

Stock is rising, I would say 2400 euros will be probably as cheap as it gets
Posted 2 days ago
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Random_Coffee: And I forgot what a horrible experience selling used PC components is.. So many lowball offers, stupid questions and kids asking if they can buy it on long-term down payment.
I sell my used gadgets and toys to cex to avoid the fuss. They buy things at a lower rate than the used market (I would say 10-20% less) so you're leaving some money on the table but in return you get a stress-free process with guaranteed cash within a few hours.

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Xeshra: The entire matter is just disgusting... to much greed, to less heart and humbleness.
Indeed, both AMD and NVIDIA are placing focus in AI but NVIDIA is being especially egregious. Their entire marketing angle for the 5000 series was around AI features.

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P. Zimerickus: A 5090 with to many ROP's has also been sighted according to an article in OC3D
according to the articel Techpowerup noticed this...
the gains, about 8% for the ROG astral
Now the silicon lottery includes ROPs, smh.
Posted 2 hours ago
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P. Zimerickus: That amazes me to be frank :)

who knows, maybe after my 3090Ti experience i also will go with something lesser tiered..
It was fun playing Black Ops 6 and maxing out the 180Hz of my screen, but the 6700 XT drives it well enough. And these days I am mostly playing Guild Wars 2, which doesn't even spin up the fans of that card.. :) The main reason was that I just don't get enough use out of it though. Especially in the winter time I have only been home about 5 days a month because of work, so the laptop gets a lot more use. I decided to sell the behemoth card in the desktop while its value was still on top.

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botan9386: I sell my used gadgets and toys to cex to avoid the fuss. They buy things at a lower rate than the used market (I would say 10-20% less) so you're leaving some money on the table but in return you get a stress-free process with guaranteed cash within a few hours.
That would have been the best option, but I don't know of a system like that in my country. I'm going to sell a car later in the year, and I definitely don't look forward to that. I got the last car I bought for a lower price than I was offering because I was apparently the only one that had shown some humanity and was actually interested in test driving the car before making a offer. Components are one thing, but car sale is even worse I can imagine..
Posted 2 hours ago
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P. Zimerickus: Another observation

22 different branded 5090's available at my favourite hardware store in the Netherlands atm!

such a difference compared with only a couple of weeks ago

The cheapest actually goes for only 3000! euros, 3099 to be more precise for the Inno3d!
The most expensive goes for 4899 - MSI SUPRIM

no other high tiered cards such as the ASTRAL or the MASTER available

Stock is rising, I would say 2400 euros will be probably as cheap as it gets
Go for it! Almost a bargain!

My countries stores offers nothing... i wonder why... there must be a reason.

Look at the "bright side": If a pack of luxury noodles is priced around 8 EUR a pack in your country https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/Pasta-whole-wheat-gimlets-ORGANIC/dp/B09471ZKDZ (which is crazy, i could buy good noodles for 1.50 EUR a pack in my country), and you buy a MSI Suprim for 4900 EUR, then you are not able to buy 613 packages of insanely high priced noodles anymore in exchange for this card. So, it surely will be way harder to get fat by passing on SO MANY noodles, and you are not ONLY owning a luxury card now... you may even own a luxury body after.

I guess this is called "win win" situation.
Post edited 2 hours ago by Xeshra
Posted 52 minutes ago
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Random_Coffee: And I forgot what a horrible experience selling used PC components is.. So many lowball offers, stupid questions and kids asking if they can buy it on long-term down payment.
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botan9386: I sell my used gadgets and toys to cex to avoid the fuss. They buy things at a lower rate than the used market (I would say 10-20% less) so you're leaving some money on the table but in return you get a stress-free process with guaranteed cash within a few hours.

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Xeshra: The entire matter is just disgusting... to much greed, to less heart and humbleness.
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botan9386: Indeed, both AMD and NVIDIA are placing focus in AI but NVIDIA is being especially egregious. Their entire marketing angle for the 5000 series was around AI features.

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P. Zimerickus: A 5090 with to many ROP's has also been sighted according to an article in OC3D
according to the articel Techpowerup noticed this...
the gains, about 8% for the ROG astral
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botan9386: Now the silicon lottery includes ROPs, smh.
Well, in theory if the product does not meet the expectations someone could give it back. However... almost no shop is doing it for free, at least not in my country, as soon as the product has been opened (which is required for testing), They may charge some penalty fee which can be 10% or even 20% of the total value... for a card priced 4900 it could mean to lose up to 1000 EUR, just for *giving it back". There are some shops not even taking it back anymore, as soon as it has been opened (surely not recommended but service is hard go get and the price does not matter anymore).

Hell, that is A LOT of noodles....

Basically, a buyer does not really know what they exactly get, although a manufacturer could test it and verify "the granted specs"; they still are not doing it, it seems. I feel it is dirty this entire matter and consumers got lesser power than ever.

It would be better they are fully honest and offering different quality-grades instead:
Grade A: More ROPs
Grade B: Equal to the standard amount
Grade C: Lesser ROPs

Which will be reflected on the price...
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