I ended up selling my 7900 XTX for the same price I bought it for. It was a fun toy, but I decided it was complete overkill for what I was using it for. No complaints about its performance, but I game at 1440p, and it really is a 4K card. I put my 6700 XT back in, and maybe I'll check out the next flagship AMD puts out. Currently the RTX 5000 and RX 9000 series is not really of interest to me. I don't know of any behemoth games coming out right now that won't run on my 6700 XT or 3070 (laptop), and I'll be playing GTA 6 on Xbox of course.

And I forgot what a horrible experience selling used PC components is.. So many lowball offers, stupid questions and kids asking if they can buy it on long-term down payment.

Actually interesting, the 5090 is... i think we would have guessed it... a heavily cut down chip, because the "almost full die" got over 24 000 cores; which is way more than what a 5090 for "poor gamers" got to offer; not much more than 21 000 or more than 20% lesser cores. In some cases even more cores may become missing because those cards are actually way to broken to be of any good use in a AI-whatelse environment (probably the 10-20% worst case chips)... so it got its uses for gamers.

Interesting video "This is Nvidias World":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy1_9dcToJU

Sure... a 24 000+ core "true Blackwell" chip can be run at probably lesser than 600 W and still offer more performance. Because for the "cut down" 5090 to be able to deliver its known performance... the GPU is running at a spec which is bad for efficiency!

This i can proof the easy way... because, if we would limit the power of a 5090 to around 450 W, it will use around 30% lesser power but the performance will only decrease around 15%. Actually, the cards "true design" is around 450 W, not 600 W (600 W is true Blackwell spec), but the card would barely exceed the 4090 at the "native specs" so they was clocking it up until it burns i assume.

Simply how it is... gamers actually are getting "garbage Titan chips" and in relative term cost a super load of coins. Although... indeed... the datacenter industry is paying a price equal to a average Tesla car... for each card. They simply got the bucks... a common human can only dream of.

Most likely, if a full scale chip is used, with 96 GB VRAM (so 32 GB is nothing)... but at the "sweet spot" for efficiency... it may use lesser power and still offer more performance vs. a 5090. This is the stuff the AI industry is using...

We simply did lose the value of money... it is soon worth not much more than garbage counted upwards with monstrous numbers.

Of course, i now found so many reasons to give my "thumb down" on what i unfortunately have to see... no need to bother me anymore... this stuff simply is not tasty.

But of course... the RTX 5080 and "lesser" is a own chip for gamer only... because a chip can not be so broken that it may need over 50% of its cores "deactivated"... this is the reason why it got less than half the cores... it simply is a small budget chip, yet at a high price as usual.

The entire matter is just disgusting... to much greed, to less heart and humbleness.

Seriously?

That amazes me to be frank :)

who knows, maybe after my 3090Ti experience i also will go with something lesser tiered..

Anyways.

just had a rofl moment i was about to share,

A 5090 with to many ROP's has also been sighted according to an article in OC3D
according to the articel Techpowerup noticed this...
the gains, about 8% for the ROG astral

Another observation

22 different branded 5090's available at my favourite hardware store in the Netherlands atm!

such a difference compared with only a couple of weeks ago

The cheapest actually goes for only 3000! euros, 3099 to be more precise for the Inno3d!
The most expensive goes for 4899 - MSI SUPRIM

no other high tiered cards such as the ASTRAL or the MASTER available

Stock is rising, I would say 2400 euros will be probably as cheap as it gets

I sell my used gadgets and toys to cex to avoid the fuss. They buy things at a lower rate than the used market (I would say 10-20% less) so you're leaving some money on the table but in return you get a stress-free process with guaranteed cash within a few hours.

Indeed, both AMD and NVIDIA are placing focus in AI but NVIDIA is being especially egregious. Their entire marketing angle for the 5000 series was around AI features.

Now the silicon lottery includes ROPs, smh.

It was fun playing Black Ops 6 and maxing out the 180Hz of my screen, but the 6700 XT drives it well enough. And these days I am mostly playing Guild Wars 2, which doesn't even spin up the fans of that card.. :) The main reason was that I just don't get enough use out of it though. Especially in the winter time I have only been home about 5 days a month because of work, so the laptop gets a lot more use. I decided to sell the behemoth card in the desktop while its value was still on top.

That would have been the best option, but I don't know of a system like that in my country. I'm going to sell a car later in the year, and I definitely don't look forward to that. I got the last car I bought for a lower price than I was offering because I was apparently the only one that had shown some humanity and was actually interested in test driving the car before making a offer. Components are one thing, but car sale is even worse I can imagine..

Go for it! Almost a bargain!

My countries stores offers nothing... i wonder why... there must be a reason.

Look at the "bright side": If a pack of luxury noodles is priced around 8 EUR a pack in your country https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/Pasta-whole-wheat-gimlets-ORGANIC/dp/B09471ZKDZ (which is crazy, i could buy good noodles for 1.50 EUR a pack in my country), and you buy a MSI Suprim for 4900 EUR, then you are not able to buy 613 packages of insanely high priced noodles anymore in exchange for this card. So, it surely will be way harder to get fat by passing on SO MANY noodles, and you are not ONLY owning a luxury card now... you may even own a luxury body after.

I guess this is called "win win" situation.

My relationship with flagship Nvidia over time

2015 - ooh, look, a flagship. One, please.

2020 - those flagships look nice but not a chance in hell i'm going to pay that much for a gpu.

2025 - Lol, Wut ?

....

I have all the parts for a new pc picked, just not the gpu.

AMD - Out of the question

Intel - Out of the question

5090 - even if i had all the money in the world i'm not sure i'd want one.

5080 - looks like a dud, a pricy, power hungry dud at that

5070 TI - Meh....not as big a dud as the 5080 but a dud nontheless

5070 - This would be my choice but the 12 GB are liable to become a shortcomming a few years from now.

I'm leaning towards pairing a 9800X3D with a 5070 TI, at the very least i'd squeeze a good 8 years from the pair. A Gaming Trio OC most likely.

Try a ROG 8090 next time ;-)

and a system to go of course, when you have a couple of weeks available and the mood to spend some time, in your chair

If someone is confused: He surely had in mind this one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/1gzq5l4/insider_the_rtx_8090_will_not_require_a_psu_or/?rdt=41943

I mean, even on Youtube the message is clear:

NVIDIA RTX 8090: The Features That Will Change Gaming Forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllOkKV7L4

I've always had Radeon :) With a few exceptions (3070 laptop, original Xbox, Nintendo Switch). Maybe I'll try again with the Radeon 12900XT or whatever it will be called. If I can have some actual time off for gaming that is.. :)

it depends on your gaming though... those 12GB... I mean i have 24Gb's ofc (acts a bit pompous) but don't think any game as yet demanded more then 10 GB's and trust me, you will yourself faster performance limited than Ram limited

as an example, the latest ass creed - shadows in 2k with 'high' settings runs not higher than 53 FPS on my 3090Ti ultra 285k combo. It won't even reach full power since the i guess ray tracing load is so enormous that mah gpu just won't compute.

Of course, with time and patches this behaviour might change but overall i think this example could be leading for what you can expect when you want to build 'futureproof'

Sure, there's enough variables on the table to make each case its own case. For instance, i'd never play any game at sub60 to accommodate ray tracing or some other bell or whistle so, yeah, gaming doesn't follow the same tracks for everybody.

In my case longetivity is a primary factor so it doesn't make sense to go with a 12GB card. I already spotted one game with reco reqs of 12GB (3080) so i think the writing is on the wall.

Plus, when you're already committed to spending upwards of 3k on a new pc the price difference comes down to a 6-8% budget increase - rather irrelevant in the grand scheme of things considering how much money one is willing to spend to begin with in order to indulge in a luxury hobby.

As for your 3090 TI, it's a monster card, it does warrant some bragging.

Oh boy... the highest RT settings of some "modern games" are pretty much killing any cards performance with the exception of a 5090... although at 4k even this card may face its "performance demise": The highest RT settings is simply a card killer while the graphical improvement is often so marginal (sometimes almost unable to become detected) that it is just foolish to trade off so much performance for.

So, RT should be at "medium settings" in most cases, for games with super demanding RT settings, more than that makes no sense.

Sure, AMD made some good advancement on RT, and the PS5 Pro is the only console so far even able to handle a medium RT setting. So, at least RT can be sufficiently handled by a modern mid range°° card of AMD and Nvidia now.... but as i already told... it makes not much sense to use the highest RT settings. °°On RDNA4 AMD is not offering higher than mid range performance, which is still able to sometimes say "hello" to a RTX 5080.

Gothic remake is another game which can "use" crazy RT settings, but according to my tests, the highest level of RT settings (Alkimia Overdose) offer no visible (without direct comparison it may not become noticed) graphical improvements to me (perhaps my TV is not good enough anymore... ) but it surely will destroy the performance by 2-3 times vs. second highest RT settings (Gothic setting), which is still a very demanding feat on any card.

Basically there are 3 main levels of RT tech (to make it simple, without taking many specific matters into account):

1. Lumen + MegaLights
2. Ray Tracing
3. Path Tracing

All 3 are a RT tech but Lumen is the "most basic" of them. While the difference between Lumen and Path Tracing surely is making a visible difference, it may barely be the case for Ray Tracing vs. Path Tracing. In many cases... the performance "hit" is huge between every "new level".

Of course, it as well depends on the game and "how well" it has been used. In some games the difference is bigger than on other games. On some games the performance "hit" is lower than on some other games... so there is no general rule. In any case, if a "higher level RT" is barely visible... then it is almost never worth it. A higher level RT should clearly offer a "good improvement" somewhere... else it is rarely or almost never worth it. It totally depends on the games but there are not many games offering a RT that got a high visibility on the highest level.