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hedwards: The point here is that as much as Europeans like to pretend like you're more tolerant, it's a limited tolerance and attention gets paid to how you're better than us. But, at least we don't throw people in jail for things that they say.
Well but ofcourse not. What did you call the term when someone is accused of terrorism and taken somewhere for indefinite amount of time without chance to lawyer and all that? Certain not jail - i mean those guys and gals have rights. but nvm.

Anyways, lets hope CIA, NSA and Homeland Security have some soccer fans ;)
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hedwards: I have a hard time imagining anything more boring than professional men's basketball. Especially that last period which takes up approximately 2/3 of the game as they try to get as many penalties in as possible.
I will agree that the penalties in the last quarter of basketball can become tedious, but it's not that different from football where they run out of bounds all the time to stop the clock except in football, they pretty much do this the entire game.

If they wanted to make football exciting to watch, they would need to drop that rule. Let the clock run no matter what. They could probably add some time to each quarter and still be OK.
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hedwards: BTW, say what you want about American football, but it doesn't attract the sort of lower class hicks, racists and hooligans that soccer does.
Lighting fires in the streets and smashing windows after games is what all the upper class football fans do.

They sometimes even do the sportsman-like act of refusing to sell tickets to the state of the opposing team. High class at its finest.
Post edited June 30, 2014 by adambiser
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iippo: Does anyone know why american football is called football to begin with? I mean its barely played with feet afterall. "American handball" would really be more accurate.
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cjrgreen: Blame the British, it's the national answer to every oddity of language. It's because the game it came from was called football. Mob Football
Don't forget Rugby is/was officially called Rugby Football. American Football was created from Rugby Football. They just dropped the Rugby here in America to alleviate any confusion with Rugby, remember European Football is called soccer here in the USA, so there was no confusion with that sport.
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hedwards: I have a hard time imagining anything more boring than professional men's basketball. Especially that last period which takes up approximately 2/3 of the game as they try to get as many penalties in as possible.
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adambiser: I will agree that the penalties in the last quarter of basketball can become tedious, but it's not that different from football where they run out of bounds all the time to stop the clock except in football, they pretty much do this the entire game.

If they wanted to make football exciting to watch, they would need to drop that rule. Let the clock run no matter what. They could probably add some time to each quarter and still be OK.
I have the same problems with Basketball. I think I'd rather watch soccer than basketball. However, the difference between the fouls in Basketball and stopping the clock in football is that in basketball the foulers are just poor sports IMO. They will do it if they are twenty points down. In Football the team with the ball actually has a chance to win, the majority of time, and it's not that much of a perceived slow down of the game. The team that is losing can't stop the clock if the team that is winning has the ball unless they still have timeouts left (3 issued in the second half)
Post edited June 30, 2014 by VABlitz
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hedwards: BTW, say what you want about American football, but it doesn't attract the sort of lower class hicks, racists and hooligans that soccer does. Sure, American football fans can be a bit silly, but we don't need to punish teams for their racist fans.
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iippo: mmm, class sports - we like those dont we ;)

That really depends on country. For example here in Finland the only soccer holigans are the junior league players parents, who take the matches more seriously than the players do.
headwards I agree with you on most of your points except this one. You obviously have never been to a game at another teams stadium or even seen an Oakland Raiders game on TV. We have football hooligans, we have baseball hooligans, we have basketball hooligans, and we certainly have hockey hooligans. And as for racist, we've had that in the past and they just had the gay bashing in the Miami Dolphins locker room.
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hedwards: I never implied that un-American was bad, but if people are going to stick to un-American things, I seriously question why they don't move to Canada.
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iippo: The Land of the Free ;)
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infinite9: I'm not saying that I agree with every little thing Coutler says but her words were taken out-of-context
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iippo: actually its her column, the words are written by her no one was quoting her besides the little id did in OP.
I was talking about the way people act about it.
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hedwards: I never implied that un-American was bad, but if people are going to stick to un-American things, I seriously question why they don't move to Canada. It's easier to get citizenship there, plus you don't have to give up things like soccer and the metric system. It's like America, but with things like that changed.
Your armored Rugby is "un-american" too, go play some Lacrosse or give America back to the natives. ;)

Or at least play Rugby without all those safety measures like real (English) men. :P
Post edited June 30, 2014 by Klumpen0815
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VABlitz: it's not that much of a perceived slow down of the game.
It pretty much ruins football for me.

Depending on who has possession, it's either the losing team trying to run out of bounds to stop the clock and slow the game down or the winning team dragging out all of their plays to slow the game down.

Either way, it's slow.
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Crsldmc: The woman is nuts I'll grant that, but atleast she's not the head of state, we got a madman down here elected by ignorant, more numerous people believing in "La Revolucion" while they can't find food or toilet paper anywhere, and for that they blame USA or anyone who's not with them.

Therefore I'm called by my head of state a fascist and an slave to american imperialism and so on.

I'd exchange that woman with Nicolas Maduro any day guys.
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hedwards:
Yup, If I could bring back Chavez and give this guy I'd so aswell, atleast the former had some control over things in the country and corruption was not as rampant as it is now.
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iippo: Well not really. Not yet atleast.

But the question did cross my mind when i read this column:

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/opinion/columnists/2014/06/25/coulter-growing-interest-soccer-sign-nations-moral-decay/11372137/

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If more "Americans" are watching soccer today, it's only because of the demographic switch effected by Teddy Kennedy's 1965 immigration law. I promise you: No American whose great-grandfather was born here is watching soccer. One can only hope that, in addition to learning English, these new Americans will drop their soccer fetish with time.
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And on it goes.

If i read between the writers lines, apparently "true 'murican sports" has:

-Individual achievement > team.

-Individual fame and disgrace > team effort (or lack) as whole.

-Winning & heroes > "boring ties and even matches".

-Violence/warlike > "sports" (quote: The prospect of either personal humiliation or major injury is required to count as a sport.).

-Fights not involving game rules > actually just playing the game.

-"'murican" > "foreign influence" (whatever it means).

So maybe patriotic-combat-dramaball?

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I am not really into american football, soccer or even icehockey - but ohboy did that column give me something to think about. Also interesting to notice that the writer is woman. Thus making some of the comments she wrote bit surprising to me, but i suppose i can see her angle.
I hope you know that Ann Coulter's views do not represent the views of most Americans. Also, Coulter has admitted in the past that some of the things she says/writes, she doesn't even believe herself. She's just trying to get a reaction out of people. Kind of like a message board troll, except she's a professional at it.
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iippo: ...Most people want to be part of something, do something social and have something to be proud of. Also chance to drink beer is always appreciated.

Now that we have mostly run out of witch burnings and gladiator matches, sports are decent substitute ;)

In short, its really social-group thing.
But then this is quite independent of the sport that you choose. Soccer is the favorite social thing in Europe, Africa and South/Middle America and other sports take this place in other regions of the world because ... well because the sport isn't really the main thing.

I don't mind it and I like social things, but it's probably not a bad idea from time to time to say it that it's just a sport and there is not much meaning in excessive cheering for a team. Not much sense in taking it so seriously.

I really don't want to judge anyone - anyone should just do whatever he/she wants to do. But because you were asking - I said my opinion about fan culture/religion of modern sports.
I enter this topic thinking this will be a tit-for-tat talk about the gridiron versus the pitch...

...now all I can think about is Bill Lambeer's Combat Basketball and Base Wars.
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pakopakojr: I enter this topic thinking this will be a tit-for-tat talk about the gridiron versus the pitch...

...now all I can think about is Bill Lambeer's Combat Basketball and Base Wars.
We have Blood Bowl league running here on GOG forum :)
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iippo: ...Most people want to be part of something, do something social and have something to be proud of. Also chance to drink beer is always appreciated.

Now that we have mostly run out of witch burnings and gladiator matches, sports are decent substitute ;)

In short, its really social-group thing.
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Trilarion: But then this is quite independent of the sport that you choose. Soccer is the favorite social thing in Europe, Africa and South/Middle America and other sports take this place in other regions of the world because ... well because the sport isn't really the main thing.
The most popular sports arent really most popular because they have "best rules" or anything. For whatever reason, they get to critical mass of interested people and afterwards there will be zillion more people following it because everyone else is doing it as well.

So yeah, as phenomenon all the sports are basically social in my opinion.

But ofcourse its cool to brag whose sports is the best and whether tomatoes really belong to hamburger or not (i think they do).

;=)
Post edited July 01, 2014 by iippo
I know I'll get a lot of hate for this but after reading this thread I simply can't hold it in any more.

All I see when watching sports are adults playing as children thinking exactly like children do when they play. "This is the most important thing in the universe". The irony of it all is that the practitioners often behave as if they and what they are doing is the epitome of man/womanhood.
The watchers on the gallery are the "not as cool" children trying to impress the cool children that are playing with their antics.

About the only time I can understand sport is when it's country vs country. I'm not really sure why. Maybe I'm a nationalist at heart? ;)
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Tarm: I know I'll get a lot of hate for this but after reading this thread I simply can't hold it in any more.

All I see when watching sports are adults playing as children thinking exactly like children do when they play. "This is the most important thing in the universe". The irony of it all is that the practitioners often behave as if they and what they are doing is the epitome of man/womanhood.
What I see are some millionaires doing as was agreed on.
You do not really believe they are actually playing.
I don't know how it's done in American Football/Rugby, but Soccer f.e. is extremely corrupt and it may be the same everywhere where there is a lot of money involved, it's not a game anymore then but a show.
Post edited July 01, 2014 by Klumpen0815
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Tarm: I know I'll get a lot of hate for this but after reading this thread I simply can't hold it in any more.

All I see when watching sports are adults playing as children thinking exactly like children do when they play. "This is the most important thing in the universe". The irony of it all is that the practitioners often behave as if they and what they are doing is the epitome of man/womanhood.
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Klumpen0815: What I see are some millionaires doing as was agreed on.
You do not really believe they are actually playing.
I don't know how it's done in American Football/Rugby, but Soccer f.e. is extremely corrupt and it may be the same everywhere where there is a lot of money involved, it's not a game anymore then but a show.
One good thing you can say about US professional sports in general is that they are run cleanly and honestly. That's not to say that they are played for enjoyment: they're played for big money and political influence. But the refusal of governing bodies and the public to tolerate dishonest influences, especially gambling, has deep roots and is respected. The curious should seek out the life of Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis, Commissioner of Baseball from 1920 to 1944.
Post edited July 01, 2014 by cjrgreen