Which part about gaming is "fair" I have one system (PC) and it lets me play decades worth of games. That is one very essential part of PC. If consoles cant keep up - its not exactly my fault is it?

Its actual HD versio on some such being released this year. FF8 there as well: http://store.steampowered.com/app/39150/

But seriously - whatever. FF is one brand. Certainly more of series will be dropping on Steam in the future as well. I dont really see how this is relevant.

Well just´buy the original game somewhere and then emulate to your hearts content if thats what it takes? I am personally not really all that interested in FF (did play 7th back "then"). Was fun, but thats it. I am not recommending anyone to get in to PC gaming just for the sake of one singular game either.

Whole lot of modern consoles function is tied to gamer profiles (including DLC i believe?) - the old "non-internet period" consoles work just fine these days. I am not sure certain how broken the modern consoles become after they shutdown the servers and you cant download you DLC's, patch the games etc.

My point here being that consoles arent inherently much different from Steam for example. I personally use Steam alot, but others have more critic view on it.

..now here we run in to the problem i tried to point out earlier. Console games have to be designed to work with the buttons that its controller has. Its different to design a game for keyboard+ mouse and then add controller support - than to design game for controller and then add keyboard support. From game design point the difference is huge.

That means, i doubt there are many console games that could understand my bit simple CH Combat Stick 568

or the HOTAS id like to get. Now add there flight pedals and other accessories and youll be running into problems.

Sure there are sticks and wheels+pedals for consoles - but they are way different than the more serious (and expensive) PC models. There simply arent console games that could take advantage of them.

The Great Framerate Non-Debate
ill leave it at this.

Ghosts happens to be crappy console port as everyone knows. BlackOps2 is apparently being play way more than it.

You know these things called "settings"? you turn the knobs there to find the balance between your fps and image quality needs. Oh wait, you dont have those in consoles. Even if we dont have money to buy the newest and hottest hardware - still in games we get to choose do we want to have better image quality or more fps. You have to be happy what the game gives. Dont tell me you think youre better of there?

Also talking about maximum graphics for PC - well newest current AAA PC games max graphics are probably better now than what the next (post xbone and ps4) console will have. Just like it was with the current new consoles.

Personally i dont think graphics are all that important, but its great to have the choice.

Devil May Cry's new+2+3
YAIBA: NINJA GAIDEN Z
Dark Souls 1+2
Killer is Dead - Nightmare Edition
Dead Rising 2+3
Dead Spaces 1+2+3
Metal Gear Rising Revengeance
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow
Darksiders 1+2
...and what else. I think we are nicely covered here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_role-playing_games_on_PC

i am not sure how set in stone the term "jrpg" is really.

Just like ThermioN I pretty much exclusively buy console exclusives for my PS3, although sometimes I'm considering to get a multi-platform game on console because I sometimes just appreciate the simplicity and comfort of console gaming (haven't bought a game also available on PC for my PS3 yet, though). Some exceptions may be games that have features on console that are missing from the PC version, most commonly split screen multiplayer (like in case of Kane & Lynch 2 and - I think - Resident evil 5).

Anyway, despite having been pretty much exclusively a PC gamer since I was like five years old (and an Amiga gamer before that) - I finally grabbed a console last year and I think that both PC and console gaming are great and both have their specific strengths. I understand some of the anger targeted at consoles, like console exclusives that just should have been released for PC as well or bad PC ports (bad performance, interface etc.) but I think both camps have their raison d'etre and the industry benefits from the existence of both, as do the players.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck....

A lot of these titles are not PC exclusive.

Each platform offers different things, so I support them both. I consider myself a console gamer first, partly because I started on the NES years before I got my first PC and partly because my favorite genres are largely the domain of consoles. Still, if the day ever comes that every game is released on PC I'd stop buying consoles.

Consoles have:
JRPGs, my first love. You just don't see these on PC outside of a few indies or RPGMaker games that more than likely won't ever be translated. Some exceptions, but largely true.

SRPGs you can play for fun. Things like Shining Force from the Genesis days, Final Fantasy Tactics, or NIS games like Disgaea. Most PC games involving any form of TBS have this tendency to bash your face in with a spiked mace coated in molten lava from the get-go, making them hard to get in to.

Rhythm games. I had my phase playing Guitar Hero and Rock Band, but now I'm really loving Project Diva. Admittedly I haven't looked into what might be available for PC in this genre, but again - Project Diva. I love my Vocaloids, sue me.

Racing, Platformers, Fighters, and Action games (Darksiders or Devil May Cry for example) are more of a hardware issue. I'd hate to play any of these with a keyboard. There's nothing actually preventing playing with a controller on a PC, but that requires configuring things I don't really understand (like, WTF is a hat switch, or why can't you call the button something easy like 'A' or 'X,' WTF is joy(7)?) Consoles are just plug-and-play here, much easier.

PCs have:
Visual Novels. I'm still just getting in to the genre, but they offer the closest experience to a JRPG I'm likely to find on PC, and some have really good stories.

RTS games like StarCraft and... StarCraft. I'll dabble in other games in the genre, but I always come back to StarCraft as the best games in the genre. Regardless of the specific game I choose to play though, this genre demands a keyboard and mouse.

Hack and Slash RPGs like Diablo, Path of Exile, or Sacred. I can't think of a good reason why these wouldn't work well on consoles, but for some reason it just feels unnatural without KB&M.

Western-style RPGs like The Witcher or D&D games. I hated the genre as a child, but games like The Witcher and Kingdoms of Amalur are turning that around. This pro is starting to change as more of these games see console releases, like Dragon Age. But since many of the big players in the genre apparently can't code a stable game for shit, make it even worse when ported, and then don't support it well with patches, PC is the way to go still.

Of course there are other pros and cons, but these are the ones that pertain to me.

I have been 90% a PC only guy for 20+ years. I was a NES and SNES kid, but in 1992 or so I switched to PC.

I have owned a PS1 and PS2 however, mostly for Final Fantasy games. Once I stopped enjoying Final Fantasy I pretty much stopped console gaming altogether. I did eventually get a PS3 when I thought my early carpal tunnel was stopping me from using my mouse for games, but eventually I made some other changes which helped my wrist and the PS3 sits there completely unused. I'll probably sell it eventually.

As for friends, all my friends stopped gaming altogether, so it rarely even comes up. Last time I ever gamed with my friends was Super Smash Brothers on Gamecube, which one of them owned. That was pretty fun, big 4-player battles, but we haven't done anything like it since, and he stopped gaming shortly after when he had kids. I do on occasion talk to them about games, but only in a very "let me tell you this crazy shit that happened" way, not about the industry or what's coming out or anything like that. I remember one of them was very interested in BioShock back when and acted like he would come over to play it, but he never did.

Good on them, honestly. I wish I could stop sometimes. When I worked overseas I barely played anything and it was kind of nice.

as pc gamer, it doesnt really matter to me whether the game is pc exclusive or not. what matters more is that it IS on pc to begin with.

the fight over who has "most exclusives" is plain silly in my honest opinion. Console exclusive are exclusive for the sake of selling that particular system. PC "exclusives" do not work like that. They arent exclusive for the sake of "selling more PC's". Rather they either wouldnt work on consoles to begin with (like too complex controls on simulators) or they represent such niche market that the developer doesnt see point in making console version (for example heavier strategy games). Then there are those small indies whose games could be on consoles as well - but console development is too expensive for them and they can only afford to release on PC (which is cheaper and more flexible to develope and distribute. console version may follow later - if they become succesful (like minecraft).

Sure there are lots games that are Steam / Origin exclusive (sadly for now) - but they arent necessarily PC exclusive.
MP's of Supreme Commander Forged Alliance and modded Total Annihilation. Go get em tiger!

flight stick for air & space sims, wheel for racing games. Controller for platformers and fighting games. i couldnt imagine myself playing sims or racing games on controller unless its super arcadey.

Hat switch is usually on top of joystick and is used to turn your view in cockpit in any given sim. http://cdn.pilotmall.com/images/uploads/3138_1499_large.png
^Combat Stick 568 has two hat switchers for thumb.

Sure, but I was talking specifically about PC exclusive RPGs and the point was that there are a lot of RPGs on the PC that you can't get elsewhere. It was not about who has more exclusives. I was arguing against the idea that you had to go with consoles to play RPGs -- that there was actually a reason to go with PC.

That is true - there lots of various RPG's on PC. Both very old and very new. And not only pure RPG's - RPG elements have been used on pretty every possible sort of game on PC.

Wouldnt mind seeing more King of Dragon Pass sort of games around for example.

I tried TA and hated it. I can't even think of any redeeming features, it turned me off on pretty much every level. That almost completely shot my interest in Supreme Commander, given all the comparisons between the two. I should probably still give it a try sometime, but meh.

Mostly my point was that configuring a controller (in any form) takes work that isn't necessary on a console.
I personally prefer standard controllers over the specialized peripherals, but that's just me since I'm used to it. I don't really play sims either, I prefer the arcade-style racing games (don't really play any sort of flying games now that I think about it).

Did you play single player or multiplayer?

Because as multiplayer its one of the very best - especially the economy system. TA is being modded even today, but i rather play Supreme Commander every now and then.

TA's single player campaign is quite weak. Supreme Commanders is pretty decent, but dont go expecting StarCraft/Warcraft level drama - once again, its more about multiplayer.

Much more versatile game than StarCraft / Warcraft.

Yeah, arcade/casual -sort of games can be just fine like that. However when you move to "proper simulators" or even say Mechwarrior - the bling-bling peripherals are definitely worth the trouble. Both for immersion and also assisting gameplay.

My choices have changed a lot after I had kids. No if it's a family-friendly single or multiplayer game, it goes to console (like Wheel of Fortune). That said, after XBOX Live started handing out games, I'm not sure if I'll buy another one for a while.

For PC, I get whatever I want and enjoy it. I love all the bundles these days. They provide more entertainment than I could imagine for almost no money.

I enjoy both, I have a Wii (such high hopes for that...), Ps3 and my computers. There are so many factors...
Will my ghetto computer play it is a major one now. She just can't handle the AAAs anymore :(
Price. I got ME trilogy for cheap on console, so that's where it shall be played. I really wanted it on my PC though.
I tend to like the RPGs like Elder Scrolls on PC b/c mods are F-U-N
Hack-n-slash PC
Shooter action games like Borderlands, console
platformers: console

If I really, really like a game, I will often get it on both PC and console (only if on mega sale).

The subgenre of CRPGs doesn't count. Just like turn based strategy doesn't count.
I'll be blunt. I won't read your post because everything you say is beyond the highest level of dumb and elitist.
You tell me freaking 2 MB Steam games count towards selection and variety? I f*cking ask you to bring me documented proof on the exclusives count for every console in existence and PC in existence and you bring me some lousy Steam counter that btw covers games from 4 generation of consoles, yet you take in consideration only 2 generations of consoles? Not to mention GOG has games that span through 7 to 8 generations of consoles.
Here's the question. Can you actually prove something or are you just twisting my words in your favor like always?
With all due respect, if there's something that I despise, are elitists who can't even prove their affirmations.
Simple request: Documented proof that PC has more exclusives and a wider variety of LICENSED games ( not shovle/free/garbage ware) than every generation of consoles combined. There you have it. I asked this once, now I have to repeat myself and ask again. Do you have this?

You consider FF 3 newer than FF VII? Do you know how to count? I clearly SPECIFIED if there is any FF NEWER than VII. I'm going to stop talking to you if you're continuing with this dumb stuff.

And if the PC is stronger than ever before, why does Rockstar continue ditching it?

I went into console gaming because it can be a cheaper way to play the latest AAA games that otherwise require a very expensive video card. I also wait to buy a console until its price has dropped a bit.