It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
avatar
Coelocanth: The KotOR games do work on Win7, but I have no answers for the rest of the questions.
avatar
AnimalMother117: Thanks very much, mate. As it were, every little bit helps.
Seeing your edit, if anything I'd get the disc versions, don't like Steam.
Kotor 2 was quite unfinished and I got stuck at the second run,
be sure to install the community patch and the restoration mod:
http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/file/TSL_Restored_Content_Mod;115177

Both games are really great.
avatar
AnimalMother117: Thanks very much, mate. As it were, every little bit helps.
Seeing your edit, if anything I'd get the disc versions, don't like Steam.
avatar
Klumpen0815: Kotor 2 was quite unfinished and I got stuck at the second run,
be sure to install the community patch and the restoration mod:
http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/file/TSL_Restored_Content_Mod;115177

Both games are really great.
Thanks for the link. If ever I acquire KotOR 2, I will recall this and you will have my thanks then as well.
Post edited April 17, 2014 by AnimalMother117
avatar
paulrainer: Out of all the games that have been released , which ones have you not bought due to the silly drm on them
The PC versions of Final Fantasy 7 & Final Fantasy 8 come to mind. T_T
If we're talking big studio PC games only, pretty much all of them from 2008 onward. However, I have bought many multiplatform games on consoles that do have disc checks but not third party permissions (what I consider DRM). I would have preferred if these games had been designed for PC and that I played them on a PC, but if the PC version is such a shitty purchase for me, I'd just rather get the console version and still get the same experience since most all multiplatform games these days are designed for console compatibility first anyway. Especially so when the PC version is poorly optimized. If I want to play a console game I'll get it on a console and so that's what I do, and I am still able to trade or resell bad games if I want to.
I haven't bought any game because of DRM. I have bought a lot because of a lack of it, however, as well as a bunch despite DRM.

(Twisting the meaning of the title, fun times.)
Diablo 3. That was overboard.
Starcraft II, Diablo III, every Ubisoft game made since 2007 in the Tom Clancy franchise and every other big name Ubisoft title, many big name EA games titles since 2007 as well (most of the ones that are hugely popular AAA games), most AAA titles from other major studios that are DRM-laden as well. Just about anything that shows up and stays in the Steam top 20-30 or so list of most popular games I'd consider buying if they were DRM-free or had absolute minimal (by my own definition, not theirs or anyone elses) DRM that does not in any way affect my user experience as perceived by me.

The only way I end up playing DRM-laden games is if they're part of a free promotion or I win them in a contest/giveaway or they come free with a video card or something because I refuse to knowingly pay for games that have frustrating DRM experiences attached to them. I carefully research this for all my games in advance before considering buying them, by using the following page among others:

http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_Big_List_of_3rd_Party_DRM_on_Steam

I've only made a mistake once really, when I bought the GTA Complete pack that includes all of the GTA games up to GTA4 and its expansions and later found out GTA4 has ridiculous crazy ass amounts of DRM on it, but that mistake only cost me $7 for the whole GTA franchise and only GTA4 and its expansion are affected so only $2-4 or so worth of the cost depending on what portion of that $7 GTA4 and its expansions is worth out of it.

I can't even begin to write a list of the name of every DRM-laden game I would have bought for sure if they weren't so full of hassle and bad customer experiences. The list would easily be well over 100 big name titles and possibly 200 or 300 by now. I even have many of these games on my Steam wishlist just to track them even though I wont ever buy them, they're just more like bookmarks of games I'd actually like to play rather than ones I'd pay money to own the DRM headaches. Future contest/giveaway winnings perhaps though. :)
Too lazy to look it up for DRM confirmation, but I passed up the Company of Heroes complete package when they went on a really deep discount as THQ was in its death spasms.
yeah Diablo 2 was huge. so I was naturally excited for D3. but then all the shit with that, and I just skipped it. then I found Torchlight, and now I probably just won't bother with Diablo any more.

I've skipped games because they also used GFWL or other types of DRM and I just didn't want to mess with it.

I skipped that blackwell sale on Steam because I want those games here instead.
Grand Theft Auto IV, L.A. Noire: The Complete Edition Street Fighter X Tekken ,BioShock 1/2 AND DARK SOULS... :(
I was all set to pick up Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition to see what all the hubbub around that series is about when it was a daily deal early in the Steam sale. Then I learned it forces you to use GFWL, which people have apparently had all sorts of issues with being able to connect to GFWL and it not saving their progress and so on. Also there's the fact that it seems to be a poor port and that it's heavily encouraged to use several unofficial patches to make it even somewhat stable, but I might be able to overlook that more easily without GFWL DRM.
avatar
skeletonbow: Starcraft II, Diablo III, every Ubisoft game made since 2007 in the Tom Clancy franchise and every other big name Ubisoft title, many big name EA games titles since 2007 as well (most of the ones that are hugely popular AAA games), most AAA titles from other major studios that are DRM-laden as well. Just about anything that shows up and stays in the Steam top 20-30 or so list of most popular games I'd consider buying if they were DRM-free or had absolute minimal (by my own definition, not theirs or anyone elses) DRM that does not in any way affect my user experience as perceived by me.

The only way I end up playing DRM-laden games is if they're part of a free promotion or I win them in a contest/giveaway or they come free with a video card or something because I refuse to knowingly pay for games that have frustrating DRM experiences attached to them. I carefully research this for all my games in advance before considering buying them, by using the following page among others:

http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_Big_List_of_3rd_Party_DRM_on_Steam

I've only made a mistake once really, when I bought the GTA Complete pack that includes all of the GTA games up to GTA4 and its expansions and later found out GTA4 has ridiculous crazy ass amounts of DRM on it, but that mistake only cost me $7 for the whole GTA franchise and only GTA4 and its expansion are affected so only $2-4 or so worth of the cost depending on what portion of that $7 GTA4 and its expansions is worth out of it.

I can't even begin to write a list of the name of every DRM-laden game I would have bought for sure if they weren't so full of hassle and bad customer experiences. The list would easily be well over 100 big name titles and possibly 200 or 300 by now. I even have many of these games on my Steam wishlist just to track them even though I wont ever buy them, they're just more like bookmarks of games I'd actually like to play rather than ones I'd pay money to own the DRM headaches. Future contest/giveaway winnings perhaps though. :)
I mostly fall in line with this. I haven't bought any Rockstar games on PC because of their shoddy approach to things, nor any Ubisoft games besides those here (my last Ubi purchase was Watch Dogs on the console and they still try to shove Uplay in your face even there, so screw them anymore, though if Child of Light or the newer Rayman titles on the consoles don't have that in the way, I'll definitely pick them up), and I used to avoid EA titles, but I tripped into the ME trilogy's DRM due to a stupidly good sale (I didn't realize ME1 had SecuROM even in the Origin version, wtf EA?) so I shot the other foot and picked up Spore as well while I was at it (also on sale) after several years of avoiding it due to its same DRM.

If we're going to be mostly objective about it, of the poor PC supporters in the past few years, I think it's worthwhile to note that EA has in fact moderately improved for the most part. Origin's honestly not that awful, compared to the glitsy, crowded look of UPlay. For comparison: [url=http://i.imgur.com/qlkq9Eo.jpg]Uplay.

The Uplay image may be out of date now, but the few times I saw it, it just frustrated me. Someone I know was willing to endure it more than I was, and fortunately for him, it didn't give him any trouble, but ugh. That design's just gross and cluttered to me.

Edit: I also haven't bought the first two Bioshocks or Batman Arkham games, though I think they may have peeled away the ugliest parts of their DRM recently. Despite what I said of EA, I still haven't picked up a bunch of their games due to DRM concerns, such as Mirror's Edge and the Dead Space trilogy, as well as Dragon Age: Origins.
Post edited June 26, 2014 by Gmr_Leon
avatar
Gmr_Leon: Dragon Age: Origins.
The disc version is a simple disc check. Nothing terribly sinister there as far as DRM.
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Dead Space
Fallout: New Vegas
Bioshock
Starcraft 2
Bioshock
Half Life 2 episodes 1 and 2 (only bought HL2 years after it came out when it was really cheap at Circuit City... still regrat buying it to this day)
Mass Effect series
Dishonored
Spore

I've bought some of the above on consoles, but REALLY would prefer to play them on PC... just without requiring an Internet connection to play them.
avatar
Gmr_Leon: If we're going to be mostly objective about it, of the poor PC supporters in the past few years, I think it's worthwhile to note that EA has in fact moderately improved for the most part. Origin's honestly not that awful, compared to the glitsy, crowded look of UPlay. For comparison: [url=http://i.imgur.com/qlkq9Eo.jpg]Uplay.

The Uplay image may be out of date now, but the few times I saw it, it just frustrated me. Someone I know was willing to endure it more than I was, and fortunately for him, it didn't give him any trouble, but ugh. That design's just gross and cluttered to me.
Personally I find both Origin and Uplay are bloated slow applications that are slow to respond and have terrible user interfaces overall compared to Steam or anything else out there. Fortunately I only use them for games that I got for free, and usually it is just to claim or redeem the games and possibly give them a test run, although I haven't actually sat down and actively played any of them outside of short term trial runs of a given title. My PC is current gen and overpowered too, not some sluggish thing so it surprises me their gaming clients are so slow. (AMD FX8350 8 core, 32GB RAM).

I'll eventually play some of those titles as I am interested in them, but I'll /never/ buy anything from EA or Ubisoft through Origin or Uplay that's for sure, even if it is an amazing game that I can't sleep at night waiting for. I'll live. :)