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General discussion (archive)What is, and isn't, DRM?(157 posts)(157 posts)
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Posted May 19, 2014
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tinyE: People checking in today and I have to go do some actual work, BUT BEFORE I DO, the obligatory funny DRM pic. :D
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blotunga: I might be living under a rock, but what does this refer to?
When D3 was all set to come out that was the company line, that you'd be able to just log on and play and all the DRM they stuck on it wouldn't be a problem. Yeah, didn't happen. :P The DRM is bad now but when the game came out it was 1000 times worse and the only way a lot of people could play was to log on at 3 am for 10 minutes.
Posted May 19, 2014
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StingingVelvet: Everyone disagrees of course.
Except, in this case, those who disagree are, quite objectively, wrong. :)
Posted May 19, 2014
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tinyE: When D3 was all set to come out that was the company line, that you'd be able to just log on and play and all the DRM they stuck on it wouldn't be a problem. Yeah, didn't happen. :P The DRM is bad now but when the game came out it was 1000 times worse and the only way a lot of people could play was to log on at 3 am for 10 minutes.
Holy shit. And people pay to be treated like this?: P... No wonder I don't play online games. Although I do occasionally miss the old LAN parties...
Posted May 19, 2014
And then there were those games that would refuse to install when certain software (like CloneCD or even Daemon Tools) was found on the system. If you don't count "offline copy protection" into DRM, what about these bitches then?
Posted May 19, 2014
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StingingVelvet: It's different enough to require a different term, which conveniently it already had anyway (copy protection). The company is not controlling access after the sale with a disc-check, it's just building in protection schemes to prevent copying. Every DVD movie has some kind of copy protection, no one calls it DRM.
That's exactly what DRM is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act
(first paragraph and the RealNetworks, Inc. v. DVD Copy Control Association, Inc. case)
Posted May 19, 2014
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tinyE: When D3 was all set to come out that was the company line, that you'd be able to just log on and play and all the DRM they stuck on it wouldn't be a problem. Yeah, didn't happen. :P The DRM is bad now but when the game came out it was 1000 times worse and the only way a lot of people could play was to log on at 3 am for 10 minutes.
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blotunga: Holy shit. And people pay to be treated like this?: P... No wonder I don't play online games. Although I do occasionally miss the old LAN parties...
That was for the SP! I don't know what people had to go through for MP.
Posted May 19, 2014
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StingingVelvet: Every DVD movie has some kind of copy protection, no one calls it DRM.
Actually, that's what it called.


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StingingVelvet: Wikipedia is not a source, nor does it have any authority on the matter I don't have, or anyone else in this thread.
It has links to sources. It's not the authority, but it is good when it comes to term.

My opinion is - copy protection - is a part of DRM. So, any copy protection is DRM, but not every DRM is a copy protection. Actually, "copy protection" term is not applicable to applications... You can always copy your game from any disk, but it just does not start...
Posted May 19, 2014
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ejiki: Well, wikipedia says

Digital Rights Management (DRM) is a class of technologies that are used by hardware manufacturers, publishers, copyright holders, and individuals with the intent to control the use of digital content and devices after sale;] there are, however, many competing definitions. With first-generation DRM software, the intent is to control copying; With second-generation DRM, the intent is to control executing, viewing, copying, printing and altering of works or devices. The term is also sometimes referred to as copy protection, copy prevention, and copy control, although the correctness of doing so is disputed.
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ejiki: So, In case of a game, I think that everything that does not allow you freely copy or play game - is DRM.
^this. In the US, I think you'd be in legal deep water if you tried to circumvent anything that allows you to freely copy or play a game without the express permission of the copyright holder due to the Millennium Digital Rights Act.
Posted May 19, 2014
Just to be clear: CD keys, product serial keys, all forms of copy protection really, are DRM because they enforce parts of the software license. You are not allowed to distribute copies of the software according to most licenses, especially for software that is not released for free. Copy protection methods like the non-intrusive ones I just described are meant to lightly enforce that part of the agreement. They are methods to restrict your DIGITAL RIGHTS.
Posted May 19, 2014
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tinyE: That was for the SP! I don't know what people had to go through for MP.
Well online and single player for me are an oxymoron. You can't use them in the same sentence in front of me :P.
Posted May 19, 2014
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Tallima: That's exactly what DRM is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act
(first paragraph and the RealNetworks, Inc. v. DVD Copy Control Association, Inc. case)
I don't see the term DRM being used in that case at all, actually. I do see copy protection being used. So I'm not sure what you're driving at? Also it's no secret some people refer to a disc check as DRM, I'm simply disagreeing with those people. So even if the term DRM was used by lawyers in that case it wouldn't really change anything.
Posted May 19, 2014
And to be clear, even GOG isn't 100% DRM Free, but it's as close as it gets. True DRM free would be the ability to sell/give away your copy after being done with it. But of course that is one of the major reasons for DRM, not pirates.
Posted May 19, 2014
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StingingVelvet: Also it's no secret some people refer to a disc check as DRM, I'm simply disagreeing with those people.
How do you call it then?
Posted May 19, 2014
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ejiki: ...Actually, "copy protection" term is not applicable to applications... You can always copy your game from any disk, but it just does not start...
It doesn't apply now, but in the early days of copy protection even physically copying the disks was impossible. Manufacturers messed with the standard sectors on floppies for example. Naturally software came along that was able to clone floppies, but I remember not being able to back up some precious games.
Posted May 19, 2014
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blotunga: And to be clear, even GOG isn't 100% DRM Free, but it's as close as it gets. True DRM free would be the ability to sell/give away your copy after being done with it. But of course that is one of the major reasons for DRM, not pirates.
I don't agree... DRM is just technical methods to control license fulfillment. GOG Games have a license and not have DRM, they a DRM-free, but neither free nor open software.
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