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Posted March 02, 2014
At some point, there has been a topic abou bad games that we have played recently and I got asked which bad game did I play. I can't find the topic for the life of me to continue it, but I honestly couldn't think of any back then. But now, I can finally fix that! Oh boy, I have finally found a game which seems to be absolutely rubbish and where I'm struggling to find any redeeming qualities, and that game is called Command and Conquer 4!

I wanted to give it a shot. I really did, I love the Tiberium universe, and so I have drowned like 3 hours in the new CnC game. I did roughly know what I'm getting into - I did know that harvesting resources was removed, I did know about the horrendous DRM, I did know about complete absence of base-building, I did know about introduction of unit limit, I did know of all these things. But I kept thinking 'There has to be a reason the game works like that, there's no way EA would give such a profitable franchise into completely incapable hands!' Oh boy, how wrong I was. Now bear in mind that I have enjoyed both Command and Conquer 3 and Red Alert 3 tremendously, along with their expansions.

But... C'n'C 4? ... What is the point of the game? Seriously, you build the right units composition until you hit the unit cap, you micromanage them to survive as long as possible, you build more units and you walk your only building along the map and ... That's it. No resource management, and the micromanagement is not complex enough to drag the game out of utter horribleness. (You know, there were games which did micro right, Dawn of War II for example) I suppose the multiplayer could be fun, but I have not tried them, and I guess that the reason for this game to exist is that EA has seen success of progression models in FPS games, so they wanted to translate it into RTS, and failed miserably.

Oh well, I got CnC 4 as a part of CnC collection, so I can now safely go and play Tiberian Sun.
Post edited March 02, 2014 by Fenixp
Posted March 02, 2014
All I can think to say is "you live and learn". At least you got it in a pack with games you actually wanted to play so it was not a complete loss. :-)
Posted March 02, 2014
I try not to be one of these stereotypical old farts who walks around all day bitching and moaning about "how much better everything was back in my day" but C&C leaves me no choice. That series has gone from timeless to shit and I can't imagine you are going to find a lot of people out there who disagree with me on that.

The other day I was playing C&C 3 and I thought I was loving it but then I got bored and switched over to RA 1. Man it was a joke. Sure the graphics suck but the older ones are just so much more fun.
Post edited March 02, 2014 by tinyE
Posted March 02, 2014
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Fenixp: At some point, there has been a topic abou bad games that we have played recently and I got asked which bad game did I play. I can't find the topic for the life of me to continue it, but I honestly couldn't think of any back then. But now, I can finally fix that! Oh boy, I have finally found a game which seems to be absolutely rubbish and where I'm struggling to find any redeeming qualities, and that game is called Command and Conquer 4!

I wanted to give it a shot. I really did, I love the Tiberium universe, and so I have drowned like 3 hours in the new CnC game. I did roughly know what I'm getting into - I did know that harvesting resources was removed, I did know about the horrendous DRM, I did know about complete absence of base-building, I did know about introduction of unit limit, I did know of all these things. But I kept thinking 'There has to be a reason the game works like that, there's no way EA would give such a profitable franchise into completely incapable hands!' Oh boy, how wrong I was. Now bear in mind that I have enjoyed both Command and Conquer 3 and Red Alert 3 tremendously, along with their expansions.

But... C'n'C 4? ... What is the point of the game? Seriously, you build the right units composition until you hit the unit cap, you micromanage them to survive as long as possible, you build more units and you walk your only building along the map and ... That's it. No resource management, and the micromanagement is not complex enough to drag the game out of utter horribleness. (You know, there were games which did micro right, Dawn of War II for example) I suppose the multiplayer could be fun, but I have not tried them, and I guess that the reason for this game to exist is that EA has seen success of progression models in FPS games, so they wanted to translate it into RTS, and failed miserably.

Oh well, I got CnC 4 as a part of CnC collection, so I can now safely go and play Tiberian Sun.
I played a bad game in the form of God of War 3.
Posted March 02, 2014
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tinyE: The other day I was playing C&C 3 and I thought I was loving it but then I got bored and switched over to RA 1. Man it was a joke. Sure the graphics suck but the older ones are just so much more fun.
Well, C'n'C 3 wasn't quite as good as the older games, it was especially noticeably slower-paced, but I've still had great time with it - and I liked how Tiberium storyline was presented, even the alien race as I feel that's exactly what Tiberian Sun was leading up to. I also liked RA 3 because it's apparent that a lot of polish went into that game, and the coop campaign is just soo much fun. I like a good number of things RA 3 is doing with CnC actually. But CnC 4... Just what the hell happened?
Posted March 02, 2014
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tinyE: The other day I was playing C&C 3 and I thought I was loving it but then I got bored and switched over to RA 1. Man it was a joke. Sure the graphics suck but the older ones are just so much more fun.
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Fenixp: Well, C'n'C 3 wasn't quite as good as the older games, it was especially noticeably slower-paced, but I've still had great time with it - and I liked how Tiberium storyline was presented, even the alien race as I feel that's exactly what Tiberian Sun was leading up to.
That was my point. C&C was a blast but when compared to older titles it kind of came up short. So long as you don't compare it to the other C&C games I consider #3 to be a fantastic game.
Posted March 02, 2014
Kind of agree with TinyE. Not that wanted to be one of those stereotypical old farts as well, but Diablo 3 vs. 2, Plant vs. Zombies 2 vs. 1, EA Battlefield 4, mobile Dungeon Keeper issues, simcity finally offline but still which smaller scale etc, old Blizzard vs Blizzard nowadays who just want to keep everything online, old Stardock and new Stardock... said that all. Great Designers keep leaving large studio, and new emerging studios (mostly indie) seem to be much better.
Post edited March 02, 2014 by Muttala
Posted March 02, 2014
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tinyE: I try not to be one of these stereotypical old farts who walks around all day bitching and moaning about "how much better everything was back in my day" but C&C leaves me no choice. That series has gone from timeless to shit and I can't imagine you are going to find a lot of people out there who disagree with me on that.
I always found the C&C series "okay", not great. For some reason I always preferred Blizzard RTS games, and Dune series (Dune 2, Dune 2000, Emperor). Not sure why, C&C series just screams mediocre to me when I play them.

That is not to say that I didn't find them enjoyable, even the ones with a bad rep (like Tiberian Sun etc.).
Posted March 02, 2014
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Fenixp: I have finally found a game which seems to be absolutely rubbish and where I'm struggling to find any redeeming qualities
Is it unstable / glitchy / buggy as hell?
Posted March 02, 2014
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Wesker: Is it unstable / glitchy / buggy as hell?
No. I can deal with unstable / glitchy / buggy as hell to a very big extent. It's just a bad RTS, plain and simple. There are design decisions that I can't even begin to comprehend. Basically, it's been extremely simplified, to the point where nothing I enjoy about RTS games remain.
Posted March 02, 2014
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timppu: I always found the C&C series "okay", not great. For some reason I always preferred Blizzard RTS games, and Dune series (Dune 2, Dune 2000, Emperor). Not sure why, C&C series just screams mediocre to me when I play them.

That is not to say that I didn't find them enjoyable, even the ones with a bad rep (like Tiberian Sun etc.).
Why does Tiberian Sun have a bad reputation? I enjoyed (the campaign of) it quite a bit, it's probably my favorite. Although like you I enjoyed the Blizzard ones more, I think because I'm not much into the whole "build 3 dozen mammoth tanks and raze the enemy" rush attack thing. Which is how every single C&C mission ended for me.
Posted March 02, 2014
awh RA1 my first pc game *sighs contentedly* awh :) ...well no my first was chips challenge (on a old win 3.1 mach) and the ms game entertainment pack that it was in, but my first game on the "Time PC" (there you go you can work out i was a late comer to the pc market right there!) along with incoming (thankyou gog and Ian my friend we miss you!) flight sim and what was the other tomb raider? and the one i put the days into was RA1 i remember it well i started playing and the whole day disappeared!
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P1na: snip
for some odd reason there seem to be 2 camps one who prefer RA and those who prefer Tib Sun, i never could figure out why really i enjoy and like both, apparently im not normal.

oh and the Blizzard ones?
Post edited March 02, 2014 by chezybezy
Posted March 02, 2014
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P1na: I think because I'm not much into the whole "build 3 dozen mammoth tanks and raze the enemy" rush attack thing.
That's actually an AI issue, its lack of agressiveness to be more precise. Besides, at the point where you get so soundly ahead that you can build 3 dozen of mammoth tanks, you've already had the opportunity to defeat your enemy 10 times over

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chezybezy: for some odd reason there seem to be 2 camps one who prefer RA and those who prefer Tib Sun, i never could figure out why really i enjoy and like both, apparently im not normal.
Fenixp isn't normal either it seems
Post edited March 02, 2014 by Fenixp
Posted March 02, 2014
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P1na: Why does Tiberian Sun have a bad reputation?
I can't be sure, even if it does (I guess Metacritic will tell something). I just recall reading several lukewarm and even negative reviews for it back when it appeared, but it could have been partly the reviewers getting fed up with "yet another C&C clone".

Hence my expectations were quite low, but when I finally played it, hey not so bad. I even recall liking some parts of it quite a bit, like some kind of very long range (but inaccurate) mortar-type unit. Hopefully I am not thinking of some other C&C game now. :)
Post edited March 02, 2014 by timppu
Posted March 02, 2014
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Fenixp: At some point, there has been a topic abou bad games that we have played recently and I got asked which bad game did I play. I can't find the topic for the life of me to continue it, but I honestly couldn't think of any back then. But now, I can finally fix that! Oh boy, I have finally found a game which seems to be absolutely rubbish and where I'm struggling to find any redeeming qualities, and that game is called Command and Conquer 4!
I'm a C&C fanboy well since the original C&C, since Dune 2, or rather you can call me Westwood fanboy.

And C&C4 is the worst game I've played in my life, whether for the campaign and multiplayer. The only good thing in it is the appearance of Joe Kucan.
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