Trent is the least preferred of the 3 for me.

While I am a bit concerned by his reaction to scene's claim and sometimes I got feeling like his is skirting by a bit, there was nothing else I would have issue with and find him quite his usual self I know from previous town games.
So my main reasonfor support of the lynch would be just PoE.

Bookwyrm I would be quite willing to lynch. Most of his post were not too good or scum-hunty, IMO, and on D1 he mostly ignored scene's wagon until scene claimed and admitted he wanted to start wagon on me to have other option to scene.
On D2 he instead of scene went after mchack and on D3 he was very eager to lynch mchack as well, even after his doctor claim.
On the other hand I liked his post from D4 a lot and I agree with many of his views so I am torn on him quite a bit but I suppose he is more on scummy side and I'd be willing to go there if people want that.

HSL, I am sure I mentioned before. There is his apparent coaching, his attempt to switch lynch from scene to SPF together with scene on basis of "who else" or that he seems to shower people with questions without drawing any real conclusions (even his recent case is not based on those questions) and later when some wagon starts to gain traction he is there to support it because his questions were always sign of suspicion and background for support of wagon.
Would vote willingly.

I can vote any of the 2 (HSL more likely so I suppose vote Hypersomniaclive) but if there would be 1 more vote needed to avoid nolynch I would vote for trent as I still think mafia are among these 3 people.


I made some theorycrafting about possible outcomes with existing SK and encountered fairly likely scenario that would see every single person in the game die and I kind of hope it could happen. :-)

I'm actually having flashbacks to Smurfia, my first ever mafia game, where on the final three I handed mafia the win by mislynching trent due to him giving up as town.

'course, my mistake there was second guessing myself too much, so I'm going to stay the course here - but all the same, I'd like opinions from others about trent's resigned attitude here. Does HSL's interpretation make sense, or do you see this as town-trent?
(Also in #978, HSL mentioned a shift in trent's playstyle after #46. Can anyone confirm having seen that same shift?)

Vote count:

trent - 3: gogtrial, Joe, Bookwyrm
HSL - 2: SPF, Vitek
Vitek - 1: flub
Bookwyrm -1: trent


Not voting - 1: HSL

8 players. Takes 5 to lynch.

EBWOP for clarity:
(Also in #978, HSL mentioned a shift in trent's playstyle after game #46. Can anyone confirm having seen that same shift?)

Could you name some specifics?

How recently have you re-evaluated this? Both me, Lift and Bookwyrm also took actions which could be seen as "apparent coaching". If it's still a current feeling, could you put into words where you see the difference with HSL's behaviour?

Heh, this made me realize that my shift from scum-lean to town-lean on HSL is almost entirely congruent with becoming the focus of his never ending questions. This is the town-HSL I know. I've noticed this in every game I've played with him so far; he's extremely good in pointing out inconsistencies and lacks in your reasoning. That doesn't mean those inconsistencies are alignment indicative, but I think that it's the way you respond to that pressure that he then uses to read you. Not being part of the argument, it's very easy to have your eyes glaze over and skip the interaction, but as the recipient, I actually find his focus helpful to make me double-check that I'm not becoming the victim to any fallacies.

HSL also pointed this out in #1006, but that's not actually what I was asking. I was asking HSL who all scum-read him for doing the same thing that me and Lift and (I'll take your word for it) you did.
Do you, like Vitek, scum-read HSL for "coaching" scene? Or do you, like me, think that entire argument is silly?

I realize I've been ignoring the both of you quite a lot lately, but you also seem to be ignoring the rest of us a bit. Any sanity check remarks from you about my #984? And what're your thoughts on the reactions by trent and by Bookwyrm?

One final contribution. Besides the D1/D2 scene wagons, I realized there's also three useful D3 wagons to look at:

D3 mchack [town] wagon at L-1: Ixam [town], flubbucket [?/town], Bookwyrm [?], trent [?], gogtrial [?/town]
D3 Joe [?/town] wagon at L-1: Vitek [?], HSL [?], mchack [town], flub [?/town], trent [?]
D3 Ixam [town] wagon: mchack [town], gogtrial [?/town], HSL [?], trent [?], flub [?/town], SPF [?/non-mafia?]

What stands out to me here is trent being on all three wagons. Not a massive insight, nor necessarily AI, but it gives me a little bit of extra trust in my trent vote.

As mentioned previously, I'm probably not going to be around for EoD (except if it's significantly later in the evening than the impression I got from ZFR). I should be able to look in tomorrow morning before heading to work, to see if my vote needs adjusting, and will try to monitor from work, but it'll all be superficial and unreliable at best.

Good luck!

I just ISO'd trentonlf in the Smurfia game, as I didn't remember all the details. My position on trentonlf's play is still the same it was back then. So, I disagree with you, his post #986 and later ones are nothing like his Smurfia game. He had conviction, and put up a hell of a fight before family matters got in the way in that game. Look at his post #1005, look at the lack of conviction, look at how many outs he's leaving himself there.

If you had (have?) the time, a comparison between trentonlf's current play-style and an ISO of him in game #46 would make clear what I mean immediately. At least I think so.


I don't think that Bookwyrm627 cutting the Day short was about shutting supplementscene up. I've been trying to figure out what that was about, so I've gone over D2 again, and had a thought, perhaps one a bit crazy.

Lifthrasil left his breadcrumb in post #496. Now, we all assumed that all who commented on it on D3 (Vitek, you, trentonlf) noticed it later on, either during the Night or after D3 start. But what if it isn't so?
Bookwyrm627 shows up on post #497 (impossible to say now how much later after post #496 that was). mchack, Lifthrasil, and you address him. Then comes trentonlf in post #504, who was quite a bit around up to that point, which is the only one he replies to (post #510) before hammering supplementscene (post #512).

I know from experience that scum often use some code to send specific messages in-thread (and we've done it with trentonlf), so what if trentonlf spotted that breadcrumb right away, and signalled Bookwyrm627 to end the Day, so they could proceed with killing Lifthrasil, and see if he was the Cop?
I know, nothing solid to make it anything more than speculation, but it's not unthinkable, considering that finding and getting rid of the Cop and Doctor a.s.a.p., should the roles be in the setup, is a priority for scum. That might also explain Bookwyrm627's interest in my comment about things having started to surface, i.e. perhaps an attempt to trap me into a comment about the Cop he could use against me later (just like he did by misrepresenting a different post of mine).



That's not how I remember you from the couple of games we've played in the past, nor how I saw you play in game #54.


Come on, you know damn well what I meant; you're better than this.


[emphasis added]

Again with this sort of arguments. Yes, his lynch turned out a mistake, but you were the only one putting stock on that single thing. And since No Lynch frightens you so much, perhaps you should be more proactive?


Yeah, I see it.

*waits to see how long it'll take Bookwyrm627 to push for my lynch again*


I made a very specific comment about Bookwyrm627's D3 scum-pair and you. I expected some reaction from you, considering that you've been weighing such things quite a bit. And here you are with the above being your only comment.


The issue isn't that you're working through the PoE, it's that you try to make scum-pair connections on poor reasons; the sort of reasons that can easily apply to connecting you to others from the PoE.


That was not the point.


I only questioned the second one, and for that one I apologise, I don't know how I missed that, especially since it's right above flubbucket's post that stuck with me.


*sigh*

You just don't get how I operate.


This reads like a very big misrepresentation. Could you point to all the wagons I allegedly supported when they started to gain traction?

At least we agree on one thing, that Bookwyrm627 was prepping mchack to be the D3 lynch since D2.


I'm going to put trentonlf at L-1. Should he want/have anything to say, he's got ample time to do so before others make an appearance again (it's early evening in his timezone, and I see his light going on and off as I'm typing this post).

Should my wagon gain more traction while I'm asleep, I'd appreciate it if you didn't lynch me before I get a chance to check in again.


Vote trentonlf

Hah. This point of disagreement isn't a subjective matter. I stated an objective reason that your EoD1 was anti-town, but rather than refute my logic your response was to go "agree to differ?".

I don't think you're scum because we disagree, I think you're scum because you continue to dodge the matter.

Ah, my mistake.

I saw several comments that could be interpreted as HSL trying to give scene some hints about what to do or not do.

Nothing to add that I haven't already said, all I can say is good luck to the rest of town on figuring this one out as scum has y'all fooled.

No problem.

It's better than getting griped out for playing......


Unvote: Vitek


Vote: trentonlf

Hammer, right?

If so continue posting while I prepare end of day, but it will take some time.

"could be"? Does that mean you interpret them as such? Please take a stance.

(I've now noticed a few instances of you leaving a lot of space with your statements. I'm almost starting to think it's a habit...)