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PookaMustard: My problem with the mod isn't that the mod makes a specific character white, black, or green for all I care. Or make it so you can immediately sleep with some woman of your choice and just that. My problem is that the whole package is a selection of stuff targeting all the toxic people that actively break "Don't be a dick." And in this case I'm not talking about someone annoying, but people promoting racism, homophobia, and authoritarianism. Or dare I say, white male supremacy.
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botan9386: I've conceded about three times now that the comment made by that user was in bad taste but ignore him. I am yet to hear a good argument as to why these mods themselves are bad, why using them is equitable to racism, sexism, homophobia, and everything in-between, and why they should be removed from accessibility.
You quoted the best argument for it. Read the part you quoted again.
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If a Black character in a game bothers you, it's racism. If a character who sleeps with people of the same sex bothers you, it's homophobia. Therefore, using mods that remove that is equivalent to racism or homophobia.
The problem is that if someone uploads that and doesn't point out what it is (racism or something else), they'll think they can continue uploading those kinds of things that affect people in this world, and you're leaving them open to unleash their racism and homophobia.
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botan9386: I've conceded about three times now that the comment made by that user was in bad taste but ignore him. I am yet to hear a good argument as to why these mods themselves are bad, why using them is equitable to racism, sexism, homophobia, and everything in-between, and why they should be removed from accessibility.
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PookaMustard: You quoted the best argument for it. Read the part you quoted again.
I went on to argue against that in the next two paragraph. You're making a case against people here, not mods. Your argument against people is not a justification to eliminate the mods.

And it's odd that I (and others) keep on bringing up examples of the exact same types of mods in reverse yet nobody cares to address that we can quite literally right now do everything you consider racist/sexist/homophobic to white characters, male characters, and straight characters and it has never been an issue. Well, I'm sure some right-wingers complained about it but who cares about them anyways.

I'm just not convinced by this reasoning and I probably won't be. Let all types of mods exist, their use is up to user discretion, you have the right to ignore those mods, it's not an attack on you if somebody alters their own personal offline game. I'll rest my case.
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Vainamoinen: ...
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botan9386: Now explain why any of this justifies mod censorship?
Everyone here has agreed to follow the GOG Code of Conduct.

https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/16033977811613-GOG-Code-of-Conduct-effective-from-17-February-2024?product=gog

"2. WE DON’T TOLERATE:
2.2. Encouragement or promoting real-world violence, hate speech, intimidation,
harassment, sexual, racial, or ethnic slurs, and discrimination;"

Posting these mods is breaking this rule. If someone here doesn't agree with this rule then they shouldn't post in this forum at all. This rule here is constantly challenged by one political side. You constantly have to read nonsense from X, 4chan and other shitholes here in this forum.

If someone here wants to use and find such mods then they should go to their appropriate shitholes like 4chan or X.

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botan9386: I've conceded about three times now that the comment made by that user was in bad taste but ignore him.
I have pointed out this earlier. The user in question has a posting agenda here. Several older posts confirm this. They have been constantly posting this kind of stuff here. It is not just bad taste and not surprising that they posted it.
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foad01: Posting these mods is breaking this rule. If someone here doesn't agree with this rule then they shouldn't post in this forum at all.
If the moderators take this position and ban the sharing of mods they consider hateful then I'll lose a lot of respect for GOG just like Nexus but if that's their rules and they enforce it then so be it.
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botan9386: I'll lose a lot of respect for GOG
This doesn't make sense. YOU have agreed to follow the rules of this house when you signed up in May 2024. If you go to others houses you might get kicked out if you write "Gulf of Mexico".
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botan9386: I'll lose a lot of respect for GOG
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foad01: This doesn't make sense. YOU have agreed to follow the rules of this house when you signed up in May 2024. If you go to others houses you might get kicked out if you write "Gulf of Mexico".
That's not what I said. Following a rule / respecting the decision of such a rule being in place. I am very much anti censorship regarding mods and if GOG enforces rules which censor mods, I don't respect that. Doesn't mean I'll start spamming mods here.
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botan9386: That's not what I said. Following a rule / respecting the decision of such a rule being in place. I am very much anti censorship regarding mods and if GOG enforces rules which censor mods, I don't respect that. Doesn't mean I'll start spamming mods here.
You have agreed to follow these rules so don't be surprised that they ask everyone here to actually follow them. If you are really anti censorship here then why are you defending mods that literally are censoring parts of a game because of political reasons?
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foad01: https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/16033977811613-GOG-Code-of-Conduct-effective-from-17-February-2024?product=gog

"2. WE DON’T TOLERATE:
2.2. Encouragement or promoting real-world violence, hate speech, intimidation,
harassment, sexual, racial, or ethnic slurs, and discrimination;"
Excuse me, I dropped sonething:

3. HOW WE MODERATE:
3.1. If you see a person breaking the rules, don’t attempt to moderate – let GOG
Staff or GOG Community Moderators know and ignore the post(s), threads, etc.
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foad01: https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/16033977811613-GOG-Code-of-Conduct-effective-from-17-February-2024?product=gog

"2. WE DON’T TOLERATE:
2.2. Encouragement or promoting real-world violence, hate speech, intimidation,
harassment, sexual, racial, or ethnic slurs, and discrimination;"
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idbeholdME: Excuse me, I dropped sonething:

3. HOW WE MODERATE:
3.1. If you see a person breaking the rules, don’t attempt to moderate – let GOG
Staff or GOG Community Moderators know and ignore the post(s), threads, etc.
That's why I posted the report form earlier. Here is the link again:
https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?product=gog&form=report
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foad01: If you are really anti censorship here then why are you defending mods that literally are censoring parts of a game because of political reasons?
That is not what censorship means in the context we use it and you know that.

If you and I both buy a game with the option to disable nudity, the fact that I disable it does not censor your copy of the game, you are free to enable nudity. My copy is now "censored" at my own choice and at no expense to anyone else.

That is the equivalent of what a mod does, my personal copy and the changes I make to it are mine alone. Any changes made are at no expense to anybody else. Yes, my own copy of the game is now "censored", like disabling nudity or profanity and being given black bars or **** instead. But how does this in any shape equate to censorship as in deleting/removing/banning individuals for discussion or sharing of particular mods or the removal of content to wide-spread copies of a particular product.
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idbeholdME: Excuse me, I dropped sonething:

3. HOW WE MODERATE:
3.1. If you see a person breaking the rules, don’t attempt to moderate – let GOG
Staff or GOG Community Moderators know and ignore the post(s), threads, etc.
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foad01: That's why I posted the report form earlier. Here is the link again:
https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?product=gog&form=report
Yes that is the official channel for anyone wanting to roleplay forum police and that should have been the end of it until GOG gets to it probably sometime next week and makes a decision. Yet we have an entire drama thread about how GOG moderates things. I assume you reported this thread too?

3.6. Constructive criticism and suggestions are welcome, provided they are directed
to the GOG staff or moderators and not disputed within the forum itself.
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Some of ya'll need to grow a thicker skin.
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botan9386: [...]
A certain group of people here complain about missing pinup posters in Tomb Raider Remasters. Censorship bad. The same group is totally fine to censor a black man out of a game with a mod because of their world views. Censorship good. Hypocrisy in its purest form. Don't complain about censorship if you support such mods. Either you accept the games as they were designed by the developers or not.

The reasons are wrong by the way.

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idbeholdME: I assume you reported this thread too?
I actually haven't reported it. If the post in the release thread and the specific thread in the KCDII forum get deleted, someone else will repost it. Some people here will probably use one of their alt accounts to do so. It will probably be better to just keep the post and the thread in question instead of deleting them.
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foad01: A certain group of people here complain about missing pinup posters in Tomb Raider Remasters. Censorship bad. The same group is totally fine to censor a black man out of a game with a mod because of their world views. Censorship good. Hypocrisy in its purest form.
Again:
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botan9386: That is not what censorship means in the context we use it and you know that.
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foad01: Don't complain about censorship if you support such mods. Either you accept the games as they were designed by the developers or not.
This is not the argument you want to make. The smart person would simply agree with this and mod in everything they want whilst modding out everything they don't want. Your opinion on the act no longer matters because it is no longer public, rather private and contained. Maybe you'd prefer that though, given you want people to go to 4chan or X instead if they don't want these mods banned.