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Time to write Daedalic an angry letter, it seems. It's definitely a disadvantage for GOG getting their games later. Daedalic should keep in mind how they started and that it was the adventure affine community that made them big and lots of them love good old games instead of new AAAs.
There was another Daedalic thread where someone quoted them from their Facebook; they said that their total sales numbers don't reflect the number of likes they have or something like that. No idea how "big" they're regarded to be, but it sounds like they themselves think they should be selling better than they do. Apparently, even regional pricing doesn't do the trick for them?
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HypersomniacLive: There was another Daedalic thread where someone quoted them from their Facebook; they said that their total sales numbers don't reflect the number of likes they have or something like that. No idea how "big" they're regarded to be, but it sounds like they themselves think they should be selling better than they do. Apparently, even regional pricing doesn't do the trick for them?
This is Daedalics typical chitchat...

They also said that thy would go bankrupt if Steam refuses to list their games...

They complained about the bitter low quantity of preorders for Goodbye Deponia before release and celebrated a week after release that they never sold so many games...
Post edited November 15, 2013 by Rincewind81
I remember reading something about that Deadelic barely gets in the black with their games. They've never made have made a "money printer" so to say.

But what ever the case might be, I do believe that most of their digital sales revenue does come from Steam.
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HypersomniacLive: There was another Daedalic thread where someone quoted them from their Facebook; they said that their total sales numbers don't reflect the number of likes they have or something like that. No idea how "big" they're regarded to be, but it sounds like they themselves think they should be selling better than they do. Apparently, even regional pricing doesn't do the trick for them?
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Rincewind81: This is Daedalics typical chitchat...

They also said that thy would go bankrupt if Steam refuses to list their games...

They complained about the bitter low quantity of preorders for Goodbye Deponia before release and celebrated a week after release that they never sold so many games...
Speaking as someone who has seen social marketing attempts flounder repeatedly, "likes" on sites like Facebook will almost never translate into direct sales, whether you're selling food, games, or any other item. Obviously, it SHOULD be easier to sell digital games and market them directly, as it requires virtually little effort on the part of the consumer. People are weird though. They'll like something so they can keep updated "just in case," or just because their "friends did."

Heck, friend/follower counts aren't even a guarantee on anything anymore. How many youtubers have thousands/tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands subscribers, or even a million plus, but struggle to reach commensurate views? RoI on social media is pretty crappy, tbf. Everyone looks at it like a potential gold mine, but very few actually realize that it's no different from any other media source. You're not the only one spamming ads and announcements, so yours had better be GREAT to make people notice it or care. Sure, everyone likes touting viral successes, right? But what's the actual rate of success in comparison to the failures? Oversaturation is a motherhumper.

(How did I get on this tangent anyway?) lol
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Crosmando: ...What's the deal? Did they expect to be selling millions of copies on a platform which is admittedly quite small compared to Steam? It rather pisses me off as someone who wants to play the final Deponia adventure without having to buy a DRM'ed version, not to mention Daedalic's upcoming RPG Blackguards which will probably launch a month behind Steam (if at all).

What is the deal.
I don't know why Daedalic prefers Steam. Maybe they gain additional income by allowing for an exclusivity period on Steam. Maybe they just do not care about GOG. That would be sad.

But anyway I'll wait and buy here because I have enough games still to play. Others won't however.
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Crosmando: ...What's the deal? Did they expect to be selling millions of copies on a platform which is admittedly quite small compared to Steam? It rather pisses me off as someone who wants to play the final Deponia adventure without having to buy a DRM'ed version, not to mention Daedalic's upcoming RPG Blackguards which will probably launch a month behind Steam (if at all).

What is the deal.
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Trilarion: I don't know why Daedalic prefers Steam. Maybe they gain additional income by allowing for an exclusivity period on Steam. Maybe they just do not care about GOG. That would be sad.

But anyway I'll wait and buy here because I have enough games still to play. Others won't however.
Last time you hear this from me as it seems it can easily be read over, the game IS NOT STEAM EXCLUSIVE and never was. ;-) It is DRM-free available on many shops, the game is just not on GOG.com ... yet, but it sounds it will come next week if you listen to the EnigmaticT Release Hint in This Week on GOG.
Post edited November 15, 2013 by Quasebarth
Could it be that it's easier to manage a brand new release with regards to updates and patches on Steam since it auto updates games, and then releasing the patched version on the services with less attractive patching options a couple weeks later? Especially for a small studio.
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schmea: Could it be that it's easier to manage a brand new release with regards to updates and patches on Steam since it auto updates games, and then releasing the patched version on the services with less attractive patching options a couple weeks later?
It probably could (and yeah, I raised the same point before). I don't know what the process of submitting and patching a game looks like on Steam from developer side exactly but I'm pretty sure that the developer is pretty independent and it's a fast and (almost) fully automatic process on Steam's side. That's definitely not the case on GOG (which is both a good and a bad thing).
Post edited November 16, 2013 by F4LL0UT
all i can say is... their RPG doesnt look all that good even in early access....
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nijuu: all i can say is... their RPG doesnt look all that good even in early access....
Funny thing that, they've got an early, cautious approval from the toughest RPG audience around, RPG Codex.

But anyway, from a developers POV Steam is a more hassle free environment, any service with auto update is, as you don't have to depend on the gamers to notice that a patch has arrived, when the sytem will do that automatically. GOG really should start thinking about adopting something like that. Perhaps adding an additional element to their game launcher that the users can check on and off if they want the game to automatically checks for updates on lauch.
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Quasebarth: ... Last time you hear this from me as it seems it can easily be read over, the game IS NOT STEAM EXCLUSIVE and never was. ;-) It is DRM-free available on many shops, the game is just not on GOG.com ... yet, but it sounds it will come next week if you listen to the EnigmaticT Release Hint in This Week on GOG.
Sorry I didn't know this. Then either they simply don't love GOG or GOG is not keen on them. One of the two. Some trivial dislike in any case.

And if you can get the game DRM free somewhere else it is also half as bad. I still can wait.
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Quasebarth: ... Last time you hear this from me as it seems it can easily be read over, the game IS NOT STEAM EXCLUSIVE and never was. ;-) It is DRM-free available on many shops, the game is just not on GOG.com ... yet, but it sounds it will come next week if you listen to the EnigmaticT Release Hint in This Week on GOG.
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Trilarion: Sorry I didn't know this. Then either they simply don't love GOG or GOG is not keen on them. One of the two. Some trivial dislike in any case.

And if you can get the game DRM free somewhere else it is also half as bad. I still can wait.
No problem.

I was referring to Deponia 3 of course (which might be coming to GOG next week), but we are also talking about Daedalic games in general here I suppose. Well we can not generalise the DRM-approach of Daedalic I would say. Some of their games were Steam-exclusive because they have not been the publisher, but only the developer of the game, like the two The Dark Eye adventures (Satinav and Memoria) which were published by Deep Silver. Deep Silver on the other hand is very well known to be Steam-exclusive these days, so there we go. (Hopefully this will not hurt Wasteland 2 coming to GOG, as DS are the publisher for the game as well.) On the other hand, Daedailc also came to GOG with Satinav and Memoria, but because of the DS-deal they could not publish the German version (and maybe others), due to the publishing rights held by Deep Silver.

I guess it might happen or be unavoidable for Daedelic to be Steam-exclusive for some titles from time to time (and for a limited period of time at least) because they are a very small developer and even smaller publisher, and so they are bound to do whatever the investors/publishers wish. At least I hope and I am trusting in Daedelic that we will see GOG releases of all their games in the future, maybe not day-1, but certainly soon enough. I still trust in them very much, they are one of the "good" guys. ;-)
Post edited November 16, 2013 by Quasebarth
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tomimt: I think it might be an indicator of what platform sells the most copies for them. Nothing more, nothing less, just business.
If you intend to release on multiple platforms, I don't see the logic in releasing on the one that will sell most first. I'd probably release it on the others and then "clean up" with Steam. Or just do the sensible thing and release all at the same time.
Oh deponia is a game, ha, ok. By reading posts it seems the newest deponia is out on various platforms cept gog.com.
But it seems like gog is in communication with daedalic at least via that conference, so I really do wonder why it is not here yet.
Maybe give them a few months to a year before its drm free?

I only have The Whispered World, from the charity event if I recall.