Oops, sorry, I did see this question and even answered it in my head at the time. Doesn't that count?

Answer is that after a couple years of MU training I've sort of stopped looking for or caring much about third parties. But again, I sort of forget that's such a thing here. We GOGers do love our Neutral Survivors and Serial Killers, don't we? It wasn't even in my sight at all with anything Sage said. Never gave it any consideration.

Given it's role madness, and, uh, it's us, I guess we'll have a couple third party out there but I'd prefer to just lynch wolfy people and assume we'll round up all the baddies that way.

Which, to think of it, is exactly how we did it in the last RW-moderated game.

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Stopped at this post, still need to catch up on the rest.

Can we make sure we leave at least some time between the final two votes for a claim?

@mod, will you provide more concrete timeline?

Depends. I didn't use to but I had the tendency to stick very tenaciously to my first target - which was bad on D1. So I have started to be more mobile with it. I mean it's Day 1, so nothing solid to go on yet. So any 'read' will be mostly based on feeling and small things and therefore can change a lot. I just decided to play Day 1 accordingly. I think I threw my vote around quite as much in the last game. But I was scum there, so that isn't exactly the best advertisement for myself... but yes, I am aware that I throw my vote around more than others. But I think on Day 1 that isn't bad play. Others don't vote at all on Day 1 but wait until the very last moment to join any wagon. I think that's scummier in principle. Not committing until one can safely claim to have placed the vote only to avoid a no-lynch. But I know that for example HSL always holds back his vote very long, even if he's town. So this, in my eyes, scummy playstyle doesn't mean anything in his case.

No. I think the problem is rather that you aren't writing what you think you are writing. Or that you mean something different from what you write. And I'm not the only one who has that problem with you. You yourself complain that you are continually misunderstood by everyone ... so perhaps you should try to write in a way that actually expresses what you mean and that other people can understand.
And it appears that you don't grasp the significant difference between a mod-confirmed role (which the mod of course doesn't give in closed games) and an unconfirmed claim. But I probably have no way to convince you that 'Mod doesn't like it' is a BS argument for anything - unless it comes from the mod. Which you are not.

But all that doesn't concern scum or not, so it isn't even important at the moment.

On to your question. In post #220 I have explained what I think is different about HSL. He is always analytical but usually stays factual and fair. This time I had the impression that he misrepresented me just to make a point and that he returned again and again to a meta-statement. Especially the first one isn't something I am used to from town HSL. You, sure. You do that all the time. But not HSL. That's why he seems different to me. The rest is feeling. He seems more agressive than in all the last games. Not only in his interactions with me but with others as well. He even lampshades it himself in post 334. So I am reasonably sure (as far as one can be on Day 1) that HSL isn't town this time.


But no one else seems to agree enough to actually do something about it. And the HijacK train isn't going anywhere today either. And since this will be my last post today (I have a meeting and after that a date at a festival) I'll have to change my vote to make it useful. (I know, more vote-hopping! ...)
And docbear is the only safe fallback solution. With the way she disappeared after giving up and not contributing anything to town it is also still a good lynch. Not my preferred one, but it will either hit a deadweight towny or, more likely, a neutral or scum who was overtaxed with some non-standard role.

unvote HijacK
vote docbear1975

See you all Tomorrow, hopefully. Unless HijacK has a killing power after all and offs me tonight. (Or anyone else)

Caught up. Really seems like the choices today are Docbear or no lynch.

and just to be the voice of insanity

and contradict everything I've ever said, ever

Is this actually the game, loaded with roles, where D1 no-lynch actually becomes a strategically viable option? lol, oh my

We've got about 14 hours to figure it out.

But if those are are choices... I think I'm okay whichever way it falls. I'm keeping my vote on doc. But if we somehow can't marshall the votes to achieve lynch, then at least all the roles get to work.

Current votes:
docbear1975 - yogsloth; dedoporno; bler144; Bookwyrm627; Sage103082; flubbucket; Lifthrasil
HijacK - trentonlf
Lifthrasil - drealmer7; HijacK; cristigale

Not voting: JMich; HypersomniacLive; docbear1975

Majority has not been reached.

Deadline is tonight, Friday night Eastern Daylight time. I will be home around 10:30 pm. I might let it run a bit after that if a lynch hasn't quite been accomplished if there seems to be progress but the window will close when I feel it's time for bed.

Yes, I believe it is a good question, at least for me.

I'm unclear on what you are trying to convey by the kill suddenly becoming a bad choice.

Pro tip: it is entirely possible to make a rational and non-contradictory case as scum.

*eyebrow* It is based on his opinion. Considering how much you seem to be harping on people reading between the lines, it seems odd how you didn't pick that up.

Looks like he trusted Yog was town before Yog's claim hit the board, while he didn't trust you before your claim.

On the surface, two Death Millers seems absurd. However, there is more to consider than just the claims themselves.

Why would you cherry pick two of the lowest volume posters for this particular argument? What about waiting for reactions from Yog, you, and Lift? (just to name three that have been consistently present all Day)

Psst. Ask JMich how things worked out last game between him and me.

Yours and Cristi's. The timing of them bothers me, considering both of you have been exhibiting something of a general absence for most of the Day.

Hey, we're actually at L-1

We might make this happen after all

I sold the farm and bet it all on doc's flip

Let's do it do it do it

My understanding was that Gamma was getting killed because it became obvious he wasn't getting involved in the game properly regardless of reasons behind it. Kill the person who is obviously not going to get themselves in trouble and by extension get less bad spotlight than other possibly more useful people who end up in a bad situation. Now we no longer have that question mark and we know that on subsequent days JMich gets more active and is also a very good player (this is useful if he is Town and not as much if he is scum, but still a valid point). We basically get the best type of JMich out-of-the-box so to speak.

Leaving that aside, if the vig isnt't killing some who is obviously dangerous and/or problematic (Gamma was at least one of these things) I consider shooting on N1 not a good play (and I'm speaking from experience here). To put it in different words - if that player slot wasn't in the game would you be asking Yog to shoot someone just because he can? Would you shoot?

It makes absolutely none due to the fact it revolves around the assumption that I utilized the meta manipulation in order to assess whether such a claim would be viable by observing backlash intensity, and not that I simply can't be here 24/7 because, you know, I am a busy student with responsibilities and a life. Furthermore, the explanation is shrouded in WIFOM and has no certainty of any kind in it, the only thing that you have going there is the slightly higher suspicion of me being the second to claim, not the first. So, if you are going to talk about spinning, why don't we try to talk how you spin everything in uncertain scenarios? Eh? And yes, I have an issue with you always jumping to conclusions prematurely. I gather I may not be the only one in this wagon.

It's a good point.

With JMich finally in and playing, that becomes a much less attractive shot.

Might just holster.

I'll think about it but probably will announce what I'm doing before I do it.

I am well aware. That is not what he is pushing for though.

I'm aware of this too. It doesn't mean that it is well thought through. You see, whether you have an opinion or not, when you are exposing it to the public in a Mafia game, it may be a good idea to have at least some factors that are not entirely up to chance and debate. And even then, just because it's his opinion, it doesn't mean he gets a free pass for making mechanics predictions and trying to push for a lynch on D1 at that. No, just because it's an opinion, it doesn't mean it gets a free pass.

Would you consider it a good play then?

I won't be glued to the screen, but I am around for the rest of the day. I see we are at L-1. I'm good with the hammer and not just to avoid no-lynch. Doc hasn't done herself any favors recently.

@JMich - do you plan to add more thoughts today?

@docbear - You are at L-1. Do you plan to claim? If you're town, now is your chance to leave any parting thoughts...who do you think is scum? Anything you could leave us with may by beneficial.

I think I figured out what I'm going to do tonight.

@Cristi - before you hammer make sure I have time to talk about it. I'll be offline about 8PM EST, so 2-3 hours before deadline, so it will need to be by then.

No, I wouldn't ask Yog to shoot someone only because he can; I'd have some extra purpose behind it. I might ask him to shoot someone I thought was scummy, or I might ask him to shoot as a way of trying to read something via choice of targets and final results. I could probably make up more scenarios if I cared to try, but I think you get the idea.

...is this a trick question?

Give me a vig shot and I'll be halfway through the player list looking for targets before your fingers get off the handle. Cackling and crazed muttering might or might not be involved.

If I only have one or two shots then maybe I'd hold it for a bit.

True, but I find it hard to fault someone for having trouble swallowing the idea of two Death Millers in the same game.

*shrug* Depends on factors which are not currently within my realm of knowledge. Things like your particular role and any other modifiers or information you may have.

I can understand why town!you would claim Death Miller right after seeing Yog's claim. I can also understand why someone would think that you're just trying to piggyback off someone else's claim, and there was plenty of time for you to see how people were responding before claiming, regardless of whether you actually viewed the field first.