I assume you are referring to the missing quotation marks. Unfortunately that doesn't do jack when your word is the only thing that proves it. Especially after your word didn't bring the obvious results it was presumed it will.


How exactly does that look unimportant? Looks pretty damn important to me. What do the quotation marks mean to you?

I saw your light go on and off a couple of times during the time I was writing up my post #811, yet no reply to my post #805 questions.

As for my alleged attempt to shade you on D1, I already explained my thought process regarding that.


I didn't see it kill the game, looking back, I see several points being made until the last moment.


You mean the one you answered in with the bit I quoted right above? Yes, that one was pretty important, and it comes with a few follow up questions I didn't get the chance to ask Yesterday.

If you had knowledge - not belief, not thought, but knowledge, as you said - that HijacK was a bad guy why is that not reflected in your D1 play?
If you had knowledge, why didn't you do anything to lure him out in some way, and instead spent the Day looking at and going after people that you were suspect of based on their posts and interactions in the thread, or lack thereof, until HijacK came out with his claim, and even then, in spite your knowledge, your initial reaction was l[url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_49_retirement_isnt_so_peaceful/post349]ukewarm?
If you had knowledge, why did you make that dramatic preface when you first voted him, and argued how much you detest role claiming on D1, instead of stating what you knew, or at least tip us in?
If you had knowledge, why didn't you come out D1 with the same info you did D2 to get more people on board with his lynch, more so since you thought that docbear1975 was town, and instead let her get lynched and the bad guy survive into the Night, giving him the chance to harm us?


So, you expected his flip to be [emphasis added]: "He definitely, maybe is "Mafia""?

This is the most ambiguous flip we had so far, yet it's not important to discuss after the knowledge you claimed to have had since D1?


Is this supposed to be the proof, or at least part of the proof, that you had knowledge since D1 that he was a bad guy?

I see you are trying to shift the focus of what I said. Hyper's question to me yesterday in reference to my quote that Hijack was bad guy was "Does this mean scum, or does it also cover third-party anti-town?"

Hijack was very much a third-party anti-town, and it's the quotation marks that gave it away. This game seems to have a whole lot of neutrals in it, and that I don't like. I would guess there's at least one or two more still at this point.

I investigated Hijack on N0 and got back a Mafia result with no quotation marks, and at the time I had info that quotation marks around any alignment really meant anti town neutral although I did not know even think the scope would be as big as it is until Day 2 when RW posted the flips.

The way Hijack jumped on yog's claim to clear himself seemed awfully fishy to me when I had read him as mafia, so I took it as him trying to cover himself from being investigated. So from Day 1 I was pretty sure Hijack was full of it and was mafia, but when he claimed on Day 2 and said he was "Mafia" I realized he was just a bad guy.

On N1 I investigated Sage and to a Town read, no quotation marks. So as far as I knew she was just town.

Last night I investigated Flub, I got a Town result for him as well.

I'm not following this. Sage flips 'town" and you got a report on her as town. Yet earlier you indicated "quotation marks around any alignment really meant anti town neutral". How do those two gel together?

Did you notice the mention of a double tap? Could that mean two different shooters? (How that works practically, I have no clue.) I agree that Lift's kill seems different from the other kills.

Did anyone else notice this in the end of day post: You may begin chatting in your respective quicktopics (if you have one). Am I reading more into that than I should?

Looks like to me the quotation marks only apply to flips, and I have no way of knowing if quotation marks are involved when I investigate. All I know is the quotation marks really mean someone is a anti-town neutral. I guess our mod is really a bastard (his words in my pm) and messing with us, so I am not sure how reliable my investigations are. I guess I can politely ask if anyone else wants to admit to having quotation marks in their alignment, not sure anyone wants to admit to that though.

For clarity, you no longer think Sage was town?

I'm going to have to call bull on this.
You say in post 828 that your N0 investigation returned a Mafia result on HijacK, without any kind of quotation marks. HijacK's flip was "Mafia", with quotation marks, which means that your investigation had him as mafia while his flip has him as (your words) third-party anti-town. So immediately, we have a discrepancy.
In addition, when HijacK comes forth in D1 and also claims Death Miller, that actually fits with what you have investigated. In posts and [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_49_retirement_isnt_so_peaceful/post368]368 he says he detects and flips Mafia, and he's only mention of flipping as "Mafia" during D1 is in post 340. So according to your knowledge, he did detect as Mafia and not "Mafia", so the lack of quotation marks would clear him as third-party anti-town, yet you of all people didn't believe his claim.
Either your role is not getting proper results, or you're lying. I'm going to go with the second option.

Vote trentonlf

I'm not trying to shift anything. If you want to make sure the context stays unchanged make sure to properly refer to it rather than just say "The important question is what Hyper asked me yesterday". Up until now I didn't know what exactly he asked you that you were referring to and to be honest I don't really see how


answers said question.

Anyway, I see you added more details in your current posts which looks a lot more like it.


I read that as two people shot at her and I believe it's safer to assume these are two separate kill rather than one person who shoots twice at someone.

If I'm not mistaken I've seen quicktopics for single/neutral players. I don't know what the benefit of that is in comparison to PMs, maybe keeping publicly available historical data. Anyway, it may be that or it may be something scarier like multiple mafia factions. Or maybe RW is just being vague on purpose.


What are you exactly? You already said who you are, I know who that is but I would like to know the same in the context of the game.

Anyway, you say you investigated Hijack as solid Mafia on N0, yet

Really??

Okay.

Night 0 you got investigation results of Mafia back from HijacK.

Where is the info regarding quotation marks indicate anti-town neutral coming from??

@crist, yes I no longer believe Sage was truly Town

@JMich, I didn't believe his claim of Death Miller. On Day 1 no one had been shown to have flipped with quotation marks around their alignment, just three town flips. The info I have states that if I see quotation marks around someone's alignment it means they are really a third party anti-town role. As far as I knew at that time I would see it in my investigation, but it seems to only be when someone flips that it shows. So tell me exactly how this clears Hijack? I investigate him and he shows Mafia but his flip shows "Mafia", either way he's anti-town. I didn't realize until the flips were shown at the start of Day 2 that there would be so many people with quotation marks around their alignment, I thought it would be one or two people at most. How many neutrals would you expect in a game?

@dedo, I'm a conspiracy expert. I didn't want to make it obvious I knew for sure Hijack was Mafia (at least I thought it was a sure thing) on Day 1 because then it would have painted a big giant target on my back and possibly removed an investigative role come N1, and that would have been worse for town.

@flub, The knowledge about quotation marks is part of my PM. I thought it was something I would see when I investigated someone.

During D1, you stated (multiple times) that you did not believe HijacK's claim.
During D1, you knew that you had investigated HijacK as Mafia, and he claimed a role that would explain said result. You didn't seem to have any kind of doubts as to his alignment, because no matter his role, you were convinced he was mafia, even though you posted you had him as neutral (while still having a mafia result on him).
Now, after his flip on D2, you see he flipped "Mafia", which means that your investigation is either flawed (seeing a neutral, even an anti-town one, as mafia) or that you are lying.

And it does also beg the question of whether a town death-miller would flip Mafia or "Mafia", though you've already stated that yogs was a bad guy, because he didn't have quotation marks.

Sorry...

I can understand wanting to keep the role in play for further value, but until Hijack came out the first time there was practically no indication of you knowing anything not only incrimination about him but at all. You spent almost the entire day prior to that claim locked on drealmer while you allegedly had a rock-solid Mafia read.

Not only that, but once Hijack made his claim you said this:

[Emphasis by me] Cool, you didn't want to give it away but then you were presented with the perfect opportunity to make a in accordance with the best N0 investigation of all time (and by the way, is it allowed for such a clear investigation to happen on N0? Honestly??) for free and yet you didn't even hint there might have been something wrong there. A day later Hijack suddenly became your top suspect out of nowhere and it reached such heights that you felt the need to go out and do what you hate most - an unnecessary claim just to make sure he gets lynched? Wasn't that investigation role suddenly not important any longer?

I didnt believe Hijack's claim, as I already said I thought he was trying to cover his tracks in case he was investigated. You also seem to be ignoring the fact that no investigation I have done has had quotation marks in the results, the quotation marks are not appearing till flips. Whatever reason RW has for doing it that way I have no idea, but I'm sure he has his reasons. I also stated Hijack was a bad guy, I said yog's was Mafia.

Do you not remember flub's milk game? yog's copped RW N0 (he was a serial killer) and yog's died N1. So yeah, I had no intention of dying until I had the chance to do several investigations.