So not only did supplementscene not get modkilled, but he didn't get nightkilled?

Interesting.

Good Morning, everyone.
Sooo, shame I had to work last EOD (Will also be away next EOD btw. So maybe we could collectively decide that we want to lynch tuesday evening? and any last minute shenanigans, can still be sorted out before nightfall.) Anyway, if I had had time to actually read it when it happened and looked closely at that claim of scene, I would have hammered him. I believed it at the time, since it sounded believable and I really only had a few minutes a few times to skim the thread.
But now I'm 100% sure it was fake because:
a) look at the C9++ document were all the role PMs are listed. I know zfr used those as you can see when you compare the Vanilla Townie one to the example in the first Post. (And everyone can compare their own of course) Now if you scroll down to say Town Cop it does not say Cop Townie nor does it say Vigilante Townie but says Town Vigilante. It does _not_ say Doctor Townie as scene claimed, the real pm would have read Town Doctor .
b) The pm didn't specify whether you can self-protect or not? NOPE wrong look at the c9++ document again.
c) furthermore we know it's not a verbatim copy now also exactly because he wasn't modkilled (and the above)

-> so scene fake-claimed doctor and lied on top saying he was just copying the whole pm to make it more believable. nice scum play scene, but still fake and we got you.

This made me re-evaluate a lot of people, btw...

vote supplementscene

Some things from the last ~24 hours of D1 that I didn't manage to comment on / reply to before - written before seeing the start of the day:

I'm not the first to point this out, but town++ (which was direly needed after the "lynch me third!" lamist argument)

I know that the whole scene-Poppy team has come up several times before, but this is the time that triggered me to ask: Could you lay down the whole argument for them being a team? All I can really think of is the extremely early one-of-them-might-be-buddying/pocketing-the-other narrative (which I think I myself started?) And the way scene hopped on Poppy's wagon serves as a stronger counterpoint to that for me, as that really makes me think that if scene is scum, Poppy is not on the same team. (But you think that that was an attempt at distancing, correct?)

DOLs? (mafiascum doesn't list it)

For future reference: at this point your wagon had 4 votes: JoeSapphire, gogtrial, trentonlf, Lifthrasil.
...
I don't even know how to begin constructing a useful question about this.
How about, "You did read the C9++ setup document, right? So how do you think the SK would be coordinating with the mafiosi for this high risk strategy?" no... it just... *shakes his head and walks away*
(Oh meh, Lift wrote a similar thing already; ah well. Urgh, and dedo too! And mchack... C'mon guys, I know I'm three days late, but I saw him first!) >:P

Because you keep dodging and refraining from answering. And every time you do so, I grow more convinced that I'm on the right track. Which is rather helpful, as I tend to doubt myself a whole lot.

So, I ask you who/what stands out, and you end up naming everyone on your wagon, no one on Poppy/Vitek's wagon (which at this point was Dessimu, you and Bookwyrm) and SPF. That's... not exactly helpful.

*frowns* Why SPF?
(Or was he no longer part of your answer to my question, and just a segue to you voting Lift?)

So between me, Joe and trent, which one of us stopped being potential scum at this point? And why?
And so Dessimu is on your most likely scum team, but wasn't worth mentioning in answer to my "throwing heat" question?

I'd like to be able to find whatever it is that makes the argument feel off; but I haven't succeeded. You think I should then abandon it; I think it's still better than nothing.

I think we generally don't have a good basis for lynching on D1. We have best efforts and lots of uncertainty, and maybe if we're very lucky a slip or a strong feeling. But lacking that, an argument like this where I don't know who is scum, but do feel to be off, does make an acceptable D1 lynch basis for me.
For D2? Possibly not anymore; not by itself. But let's see how things will develop. (Particularly if my D1 strong feeling is still around!)

*chuckles, then gives you a raised eyebrow for coming to my 'defense'*

For the record, so I don't assume anything, what were you seeing?


For reference, these were the initial (re)actions, in order, to scene's role reveal:

flub: question scene (vote remains on scene)
dedo: unvote scene
mchack: move vote from lift to SPF (in 1 post)
bookwyrm: move vote from Vitek to scene (in 1 post)
trent: question dedo (vote remains unassigned)
HSL: move vote from Joe to SPF (over several posts)
scene: move vote from Vitek to SPF
Vitek: comment (vote remains on HSL)
Joe: comment (vote remains on scene)
Lift: comment (vote remains on scene)
-- D1 end --
SPF: comment (vote remains on scene)

Not present: Dessimu (vote remains on Vitek), gogtrial (vote remains on scene)


Welcome Ixamyakxim! What do you make of D1?
And as I've never played with you before, nor seen you play before that I recall: Can you tell us a bit about your mafia experience / play style / stuff like that?


After seeing the day start:

Any chance of making it 2 (or more) hours later? This time was, and is most likely going to be, impossible for me to be here for.

I guess first order of business is seeing who all dedo suspected / was a threat to. And let's see if we can get consensus on resolving scene. I'd like to hear from him about his night before I'll say anything about his claim.

Not happy at all.

Now we are to be left in uncertainity whether the claim was true and ZFR let scene go unpunished and mafia used it to spread confusion or if it was fake claim.

The first option would make mchack very scummy.

I am very eager to hear the answer. I am really looking forward to dedo's answer. I believe his reply will be long and through and dedo will be heavily involved in it.

Acronym made up by Joe earlier in the thread. Dichotomy of lynch I think.

Do you make anything of it? Any conclusion you were able to draw out of it?

I went back over his claim after the day ended as well and it gives me a bad feeling. I think it was a desperate claim to not get lynched, his vague hinting of a role at first made me think he had no claim and needed time to come up with one, and I think he needs to be the lynch today. That being said we can not assume anything about anyone’s PM, and we should NOT be discussing PM info or wording. I agree that I think he’s lying, but if you’re voting him based on what you think his PM says then that is super scummy.

Vote Supplementscene

Yes, it was mostly Scene calling Poppy helpful and townreading her without any actual reason. I read that as a relatively new player trying to support a scum-buddy. And when he realized that that misfired he switched to distancing. ... But it is entirely possible that Scene was initially buddying up to town-Poppy before switching to voting for her. The impression that Poppy was scum was mostly a feeling from the way she played and responded while Vitek looks rather neutral.

Scene, however, still looks very scummy.
- The main argument for some who believed his claim yesterday was that Scene wouldn't be able to make a convincing claim like that under pressure. But as mchack pointed out, there were example claims to work with.
- The only way how I see that scene avoided a mod-kill would be, if his claim wasn't a full quote but only a small part of it or some re-phrasing. However he states himself:
With this he claims to have quoted his whole PM. Which has to be a lie, because if it were true, he should be dead from a modkill.
- Plus, he not only survived the alleged PM quoting, but also the Night. Although it would be in scums interest to eliminated a claimed doctor as soon as possible so that he can't protect other PRs.

Of course it is possible that scum left him alive to make him look bad and make us mis-lynch again. And that ZFR is a way too lenient mod who let a complete, verbatim quote of a PM slide. But I believe it is much more likely that Scene was able to concoct a fake claim on his own after all.

vote Supplementscene

I wouldn't call it a good scum play necessarily as pretending that you copied and pasted your PM and then not getting modkilled outs you as scum. Ok, so it bought him a tiny bit of time but not much.

It was interesting seeing who switched their votes to me despite it being clearly stated that I wouldn't be around and thus wouldn't be able to claim or anything.

Anyway, I see no way out of this situation other than to lynch scene (which I can't believe you didn't do yesterday considering his PM post).

vote supplementscene

Right before I get hammered consider this. What if I am Doctor? (I AM). Wouldn't that be a mistake? What if Scum are not lynching me because they know they'll get a free misslynch??? Don't you think it may just be better to investigate me tonight? I suggest the investigor keeps quiet when I'm confirmed Town in order for him to investigate others. I think Dedo may have been killed because he seemed suspicious during the reveal. It all makes me look worse

Right I don't have long so not multi quotes

@Everyone. Part of the PM that I thought would help Scum wasn't copied, it was removed, and I won't expand on that. I'm on a final warning from ZFR after my error at the end of Day 1. I can't even double post apparently.

@Joe Sorry I read first. I think it's better to not reveal who I protect so certain Scummies are second guessing.

@Mchack/Trent I don't know why it doesn't match up. Perhaps that's ZFR's flavour or the way he typed it. Who knows?

@Vitek I'm not sure it makes Mchack Scummy. I look suspicious because I've survived the night.

@gogtrial I'll have to get back to this later. But I'm afraid it maybe in the form of a drunk

TFIF ALL

Do tell, are you the Godfather, or the Investigation immune SK?


Heh. You are aware that this is no proof of anything, right?



In what way?



Why only who he suspected/was a thread to?



It'll all be in his bah post.

Argh... supplementscene claims to be on his final warning, but I dunno. Quoting a huge chunk of text like that is instamodkill material to me, it's not like it was a single phrase or something that might be warning-worthy.

Dude, you made the mod laugh.

No no no, there's no reason to keep that to yourself. Who you "protected" last night has no bearing on who you'll "protect" tonight.

Who did you target last night?

Vote count:

supplementscene - 4: mchack, trentonlf, Lifthrasil, SirPrimalform

Everyone else: 0
Not voting: everyone else

Seeing how ZFR has been handling things, I'm pretty sure that ZFR will neither confirm nor deny what supplementscene claimed here.


Does anyone remember flubbucket's strip-club game where Dessimu imposed a post-restriction on himself, and let/got everyone believe it was enforced by the mod?

Absolutely. It's a difficult position for a mod to be in as anything they say would influence the game. But I don't believe anyone would let something like copying and pasting a large chunk of PM just go like that since the whole reason for the no quoting rule is because it can be game breaking.

Way back in Elebutterfly's Egyptian game, one of the scum got caught lying and then claimed the mod had made a mistake and had PM'd them to apologise. It was all bollocks as it turned out, but I had a big problem with that play and certainly wouldn't have liked to be the mod there...