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SirPrimalform: Argh... supplementscene claims to be on his final warning, but I dunno. Quoting a huge chunk of text like that is instamodkill material to me, it's not like it was a single phrase or something that might be warning-worthy.
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HypersomniacLive: Seeing how ZFR has been handling things, I'm pretty sure that ZFR will neither confirm nor deny what supplementscene claimed here.

Does anyone remember flubbucket's strip-club game where Dessimu imposed a post-restriction on himself, and let/got everyone believe it was enforced by the mod?
Was I in that game? It sounds familiar. Are your thoughts still the same on supplementscene as the end of Day 1?
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mchack: But now I'm 100% sure it was fake because:
a) look at the C9++ document were all the role PMs are listed. I know zfr used those as you can see when you compare the Vanilla Townie one to the example in the first Post. (And everyone can compare their own of course) Now if you scroll down to say Town Cop it does not say Cop Townie nor does it say Vigilante Townie but says Town Vigilante. It does _not_ say Doctor Townie as scene claimed, the real pm would have read Town Doctor .
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supplementscene: ...(Doctor Townie)...
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mchack: b) The pm didn't specify whether you can self-protect or not? NOPE wrong look at the c9++ document again.
c) furthermore we know it's not a verbatim copy now also exactly because he wasn't modkilled (and the above)
Yeah this. I wouldn't say it's 100%, but it's pretty unlikely that ZFR decided to use the phrase Doctor Townie, and decided not to modkill a copy-paste-post infringement.

I'm ready to lynch supplementscene, but let's not do it immediately the morning after we the evening we failed to lynch him... Would it not be better to use the time we've got?


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gogtrial34987: DOLs? (mafiascum doesn't list it)
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Vitek: Acronym made up by Joe earlier in the thread. Dichotomy of lynch I think.
Thanks honey xx It's Dichotomy Of Lynchees.
I'm pleased to announce my triumphant retirement from the world of competitive acronyming.


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Vitek: Not happy at all.

Now we are to be left in uncertainity whether the claim was true and ZFR let scene go unpunished and mafia used it to spread confusion or if it was fake claim.
Did you really expect different? You thought ZFR would delay punishment until after the deadline had passed? Or what?


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HypersomniacLive: Does anyone remember flubbucket's strip-club game where Dessimu imposed a post-restriction on himself, and let/got everyone believe it was enforced by the mod?
amok was doing it before it was cool.

And rodzaju was messing around with it in game #8 but no-one was convinced.
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trentonlf: Was I in that game? It sounds familiar. [...]
I think you were, you want me to check the players list?
I know I wasn't playing, and I remember that we laughed our arses off in the observer QT.


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trentonlf: [...] Are your thoughts still the same on supplementscene as the end of Day 1?
I addressed supplementscene in the post I made, and I didn't address him the way I did because they are.



And I just noticed this:

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supplementscene: [...] @gogtrial I'll have to get back to this later. But I'm afraid it maybe in the form of a drunk [...]
Am I the only one reading that "drunk" like he left himself an out in case he contradicts himself?
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supplementscene: Right before I get hammered consider this. What if I am Doctor? (I AM). Wouldn't that be a mistake? What if Scum are not lynching me because they know they'll get a free misslynch??? Don't you think it may just be better to investigate me tonight?
How do you know that there is an investigator?

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supplementscene: @Everyone. Part of the PM that I thought would help Scum wasn't copied, it was removed
But with this you directly contradict post 387 in which you claimed that you revealed your whole PM. So, did you lie in post 387? Or are you lying now? ... Doesn't actually matter since both can't be true at the same time and Lynch all Liars is a rule for a reason.

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supplementscene: @Joe Sorry I read first. I think it's better to not reveal who I protect so certain Scummies are second guessing.
You're not supposed to reveal whom you will protect next (if you survive this Day), but whom you protected in the past Night. Revealing that isn't dangerous for town. But your sentence that you don't want to reveal whom you protected implies that you did indeed protect someone. So not only did you survive the night. You apparently were also not roleblocked, although the majority of the scum-setups (and the more likely ones too) contain a roleblocker. So scum decided for some reason to not act at all against you.
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SirPrimalform: No no no, there's no reason to keep that to yourself. Who you "protected" last night has no bearing on who you'll "protect" tonight. [...]
Are you absolutely sure about that?



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Lifthrasil: [...] but whom you protected in the past Night. Revealing that isn't dangerous for town. [...]
Same question to you.
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supplementscene: Right before I get hammered consider this. What if I am Doctor? (I AM). Wouldn't that be a mistake? What if Scum are not lynching me because they know they'll get a free misslynch??? Don't you think it may just be better to investigate me tonight? I suggest the investigor keeps quiet when I'm confirmed Town in order for him to investigate others. ...
No! Just, no!
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Lifthrasil: [...] but whom you protected in the past Night. Revealing that isn't dangerous for town. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Same question to you.
What?
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Lifthrasil: What?
What what? I asked if you're absolutely sure about what you said in the part I quoted.
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HypersomniacLive: Same question to you.
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Lifthrasil: What?
I think the question he asked SPF he was asking you the same thing.
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Lifthrasil: What?
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HypersomniacLive: What what? I asked if you're absolutely sure about what you said in the part I quoted.
Ah! I understood that your 'same question to you' referred to the question I had asked in the post you quoted.

I am quite sure that revealing who was protected in the previous night doesn't help scum much. Yes, if Scene is really a Doctor, revealing whom he protected tells scum whom Scene thinks to be town. But that doesn't mean that he will protect the same target again and reads change over the Day. So the risk in revealing whom he protected is minimal and if he really were a Doctor, it would be more important that we can evaluate his statement about whom he protected and, more importantly, why. Especially since Scene himself is under heavy suspicion right now, it would be crucial for him to be open and truthful. For me that "I won't reveal whom I protected" reads quite similar to Yesterday's "I am a PR but won't tell which". ... In other words, he probably didn't have a good reply prepared and needs some time to make one up.
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SirPrimalform: [...] Who did you target last night?
*looks at dedoporno lying in his tent with a bullet in his head*



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Lifthrasil: Ah! I understood that your 'same question to you' referred to the question I had asked in the post you quoted. [...]
Heh. Unless you said somewhere you knew there's a Cop in the game and I missed it, why would I ask you that?


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Lifthrasil: [...] I am quite sure that revealing who was protected in the previous night doesn't help scum much. Yes, if Scene is really a Doctor, revealing whom he protected tells scum whom Scene thinks to be town. But that doesn't mean that he will protect the same target again and reads change over the Day. So the risk in revealing whom he protected is minimal [...]
I should have said that I didn't ask you and SirPrimalform that question strictly in relation to supplementscene.

Assume it's D2, and he actually were the Doctor. Also assume that whoever he protected N1 is indeed Town.
With how you know the Doctor role (typically) works, do you really think that, this early in the game, scum knowing who his N1 target was isn't helpful to them?


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Lifthrasil: [...] we can evaluate his statement about whom he protected and, more importantly, why. Especially since Scene himself is under heavy suspicion right now, it would be crucial for him to be open and truthful. For me that "I won't reveal whom I protected" reads quite similar to Yesterday's "I am a PR but won't tell which". ... In other words, he probably didn't have a good reply prepared and needs some time to make one up.
If you think that he's lied about being the Doctor Townie, you must think that he's scum (Mafia or SK). After how things went for him EoD, I wonder - do you think that he wasn't prepped by his mafia-buddies in the 48hrs since? Or if he's the SK, do you think that he didn't take some time to see if and how he can dig himself out of that mess?

I'll refrain from making a comment I have until he comes back and does his drunk thing.
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JoeSapphire: I'm ready to lynch supplementscene, but let's not do it immediately the morning after we the evening we failed to lynch him... Would it not be better to use the time we've got?
Definitely.

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SirPrimalform: No no no, there's no reason to keep that to yourself. Who you "protected" last night has no bearing on who you'll "protect" tonight. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Are you absolutely sure about that?
Well I guess since it appears to be possible to have both a doc and a roleblocker it could tell a failed killer why they failed, but that's about it.

To me, supplementscene's reluctace to reveal who he "protected" reads like he wants to avoid digging the hole he's in any deeper. The more details are locked down, the more likely he is to get caught in a lie.

I mean another lie obviously since I'm fairly certain his claim was a lie.

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SirPrimalform: [...] Who did you target last night?
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HypersomniacLive: *looks at dedoporno lying in his tent with a bullet in his head*
Seems plausible, but if he really is scum I would think the team would have someone under less suspicion do the kill. Although, looking at the setup again I see no town watchers or trackers so I suppose there wouldn't be much risk there.
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SirPrimalform: [...] Seems plausible, but if he really is scum I would think the team would have someone under less suspicion do the kill. Although, looking at the setup again I see no town watchers or trackers so I suppose there wouldn't be much risk there.
Would you like to confess? You can tell me. *points at location*


On a side note, could we, perhaps, agree not to use the term "scum" when referring to the Mafia? There's always a chance there's a SK in play.
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mchack: [...] This made me re-evaluate a lot of people, btw... [...]
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HypersomniacLive: In what way?
In that none of my earlier scum suspects are suspect to me anymore (like lift going after scene as his scum partner screaming for either lynch or modkill? -> nope, he's as lock town as it gets for me now (other than being town innocent child of course) same with bookwyrm. and I guess SPf. which really annoys me since I had them as my major scum trio and now they are all pretty much confirmed town to me :/ blergh. thank you scene! :P)

Also of course in that people I had leaning town scum points, like you and vitek, I guess. Since your and viteks behaviour end of day could be those of potential scumbuddies, not sure if they should bus or claim to believe the claim. And since most people seemed to buy it, you didn't bus. not sure of course but it could fit. Of course we'll need scene's flip first.
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mchack: In that none of my earlier scum suspects are suspect to me anymore (like lift going after scene as his scum partner screaming for either lynch or modkill? -> nope, he's as lock town as it gets for me now (other than being town innocent child of course) same with bookwyrm. and I guess SPf. which really annoys me since I had them as my major scum trio and now they are all pretty much confirmed town to me :/ blergh. thank you scene! :P) [...]
Because absolutely none of supplementscene's mafia-buddies, should he be one of the team, would bus him in a heartbeat Yesterday if they thought he's going down, right?

What if supplementscene isn't a member of the mafia team, but the SK? Would that case still clear everyone on his wagon?