Are you for real?

Maybe you should fucking stop "interpolating".
So first time I was being negative was when I was disappointed with how EoD1 went and you make it into me being unhappy with no NK.
Pray tell, did you think we should be satisfied with how we fared there?
The second thing I don't think even happened. But I was against scene presenting DoL in previous game. Does it mean I was negative there and you just carried it over into this one?
And this was my third time being negative? "Of thé 2 biggest wagons I would be more inclined to vote mchack."
Bloody hell, how can one even be so negative? I am monster.

But I said I am not happy to replace in the way I did, so that of makes me scum for not being happ about it, right? Right?!


What about it?

Lift flipped Town Cop and scene Mafia Goon.

Or do you mean it some other way? That scene claimed he is dcotor townie and mchack not voted him right away and voted SPF instead? I see.

yep, that's what I think he meant. And it's what I already explained one post above your question... (and a few times before in thread)

ah, I only now understood what you meant. CC = CounterClaim. ... but it's illogical, there is no reason to counterclaim anything this game, because there is no reason why there shouldn't be 2 doctors or 2 cops or 2 roleblockers etc. in this game. (all that would do is give yourself to scum) At least another doctor is still possible even another doctor + a 1 shot one. (do protect me if you're out there!)

we're at CCMD??? now. the three question marks can be anything.

11 minutes since the first post, that the second (in which I voted you) merged with. So you need to compare the edit timestamp with the timestamp on your claim.
I still had a tab open showing this (attached) - this one shows 8 minutes.

Do you realize you made a mistake being so swift with your claim being all prepared already? Is that why you're trying to argue against it?

Hmm. You also say you can protect the same target two nights in a row. After the discussion about how this can be game breaking (another TODO: see if you participated in it), did you at all question ZFR about this to confirm?

Maybe I don't want to stop if it gets you this mad ;)

- the complaining isn't what I mean by being negative - you complain all the time and I love it. The negativity is how you don't do anything about it. You said you didn't like either mchack or hypersomnia for day 3 lynch, but you didn't say "So I'm going to vote joe instead,".
It read to me like you were saying "I'm resigned to my buddy getting lynched, and I'm getting ready to drop the hammer on him," Or something, I don't know. That doesn't really make sense as an interpretation, but I don't know what does.


Also yeah, that's what I meant - mchack saw that scene claimed he was doctor townie. 'Doctor Townie' It leapt out to me straight away - there was a possibility it was wrong, but pretty unlikely. I'd have thought mchack's thought process would be something like:

"A second doctor? He's lying!
Oh wait but there's a possibility of two doctors so it might be true.
What's all this though?? Doctor Townie? That doesn't sound right. Surely it should be Town Doctor. I'm pretty sure mine didn't say Doctor Townie? Did it? I think it would have caught my eye at the time. I suppose even if mine doesn't say that zfr might have made the two doctors distinct. What do I do? Let's just vote SPrimal. No way that could go wrong!"

Alright I fell apart at the end there, but that's what I would expect to have happened. I guess the only thing mchack can really say in response to this is "well I didn't,"

so... cool.

I don't buy it.

Scum false claims (scene) Doctor Day One, so mchack proceeds to VOTE WITH SAID SCUM on Primal. (My guess) Night Starts, scum discuss plan, mchack opens up with vote on scumbuddy to clean up, with the reason that

Why not? Because, um, aren't you the Doctor?

As you said, the cherry on top is you tell us you're going to wait until you're at L-1 before you reveal your claim. Waiting to see if you could just stall until the end of day instead of risk a false claim?

I'll be out most of the day - but my vote won't move anyway.

Vote Count

mchack - 4: Ixam, flubbucket, Bookwyrm, trent
JoeSapphire - 3: Vitek, HSL, mchack
HypersomniacLive - 1: SPF
Vitek - 1: Joe

Not voting - 1: gogtrial

10 players. 6 to lynch

I made no mistake in being too quick or too slow in my claim. It was not prepared. All I did after you made me claim by putting me on L-1 was copy paste my flavour name and role from my pm and write the bit about my restrictions and who I was protecting or at least trying to in case of N2.
if that took 7 minutes or 11 is irrelevant, I just wanted to point out you made a mistake with your 7 minutes, at least that's how I percieved it and that's the only reason I said anything. if you point out how long I took at least be truthful about it is all I thought. Seems you were. so I guess crow for me ;)

I have mentioned it in my ramblings to ZFR and he has not specifically replied to it. I don't see any need for it either, as I don't think it's gamebreaking in this game at all (there's roleblockers and serial killers that could easily break some doctor/cop combination)
And I was biting my tounge (or rather knoting my fingers) as for not pointing any of that out on D2 when lift brought it up, because I was a-ok with scum thinking a doctor wouldn't be able to protect the same target twice. (and I didn't want to give myself away. But still read the setup doc. There is nothing about not being able to protect the same target more than once.)

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and you are intentionally completely ignoring what I answered you on the matter?
ok I'm pretty sure we'll hit scum with you.

I absolutely took that into account. You said you didn't have much time to read it, and no time to check it against your own role or the mafiascum. I said that even without double-checking and only a cursory glance, I'd expect it to jump out at you.

Why isn't this joker dead yet?

This would mean that the Doctor, who would definitely have access to the Doctor's PM, didn't see anything wrong with the fake claimed Doctor on D1 on even a cursory glance.

The one guy who should absolutely know whether Scene was full of crap with "I copy/pasted my pm" believed the claim.

I don't believe you people. This is a slam dunk scum lynch.

Do you guys even read the thread? let me quote myself from a few posts above:

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what? you do realize there can be more than 1 doctor in this game, don't you? there is no reason to counter claim
there is no "the Doctor" only "a Doctor" of possibly 3 doctors that can be in game

If I could've stalled it to lynching Joe without having to claim then yes, I would have liked that much more than claiming. What do you think? You're saying I should've come out with my claim at the start of day or something? like claiming doctor is a smart thing to do? that you won't be the prime nk target then? Do you think before you post at all? *sorry but I got agitated*

Hopefully someone remembers that post of yours later...

Unvote machack

If this claim is true I apologize for my reaction to your vote being based off of the wiki PM, although it still bugs me to no end using PM wording to lynch someone as any vote should be based off how someone’s playing. If your claim is true I see why you voted him right out of the gate on Day 2, but I wish you had used a different excuse than PM wording (I will always find that scummy).



What is your impression of mchack’s claim?

well it didn't. And I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have to you either.
In a work situation where everyone is eating in the pause room for a bit and I'm furiously skimming on my phone with bad network and people asking me what it is I'm doing and want me to explain what a mafia game even is. I'm glad I could even get this little post in that I did, before the pause was over and I had to get back to my patients. Now in this situation, I did not realize that "Doctor Townie" was not the phrase my pm had used. But of course I remembered that I was a doctor myself and that more than one doctor is perfectly possible and I tried to help my "colleague" to survive.

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thank you, at least one sensible person around :D I was starting to doubt my sanity when everyone turned on me for my claim. It's the truth, you can rest assured of that.

Ah! yeah. I forgot about that. He only claimed he was quoting the role later, and you could easily have missed that.

hm... If this is all true I guess the moral is quit your job it's messing with your game.