The simple past of 'To eat', but also appeal to emotion since eating always appeals to my emotion!

@Trent: but if you refuse to lynch people who you think are towny, even to the point of no-lynch, you give control of the game to scum. Lynching is the one thing town can control. If town doesn't lynch, scum are the only ones who get to pick whom to kill and can try to give town as little information as they can. Sometimes it is good to lynch someone, even if you're not sure they are scum, because sometimes there's a lot of information connected to one flip.

For example now: if we lynch cristi (or ZFR, but I prefer cristi) and she turns out to be town, my entire theory of the reason for HSL's stalling is void and therefore my main point against him. If she's scum, that doesn't necessary mean that my theory is true. But if she and ZFR are scum, I'm quite sure that HSL is the third one. Or turn it around. We lynch HSL. If he turns out to be town, then his stalling was just bad play and had no motivation connected to cristi and ZFR. But if he's scum, both cristi and ZFR will need scrutiny. See what I mean? Lynching someone who is interconnected can be useful for town, no matter what alignmend (s)he eventually flips.


Better start weaving! ;-)

Finally you're here! And maybe you're right. But ZFR isn't at the top of my lynch list anymore anyhow.

Sigh. Another mammoth post by HSL harping on and on about the same bogus points. Did anyone ever tell you that you are really exhausting? You have a knack for annoying me like otherwise only drealmer had. You accuse me of tunneling and are tunneling yourself so hard. As always. Ignoring everything that doesn't fit your prejudice. When was the last time you actually tried to understand what someone writes and not reading everything with the intent to find ways to twist it? You have a very ... political ... way of playing this game.

1. cristi is good at appearing towny. Good at talking towny. That doesn't necessarily mean she's a strategic scum player. For me those two, good at fooling people and not having a perfect false-claim prepared are not mutually exclusive. Sure, that post would be a screw-up for scum. But things happen under pressure and it did look scummy.

2. fine. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she had town reasons. But what about you? What are your reasons for defending her? You say you don't necessarily think she's town and that she has to be sorted out. But you attack me for saying the exact same thing: she has to be sorted out one way or the other. So, if we agree on that, what's your angle for defending her against my oh so unfair attacks? Scumbuddy? Or White Knight?

3 Now that's just a false accusation again. I didn't ignore the fact that my theory only makes sense if all three of you are scum. On the contrary. I discussed it. But that was probably in one of the posts you conveniently 'only skimmed', huh? How convenient. Read only what you want to read and 'skim' anything else. Conveniently missing all points that contradict your accusations. That's again either very scummy or, if you are town, just very bad and self-righteous play.

4. Except that's not what he wrote. Read it again. I took that as a general statement and contradicted to that general statement. He clarified later and I would have left it at that. But you keep dragging it up again and again for some reason. "Oh no! Lifth said that brigging can hurt town! He must be scum!" - yes, that's hyperbole. You didn't write it like that. I know. Still I get the same impression that you pretend to have of me: no matter what I write, you will see it as proof that I am scummy.

5. You tried to twist the fact that I didn't remember 'Case Orange' to an indication that I'm scum. Which is ridicolous. How is remembering every little detail of a TV-series linked to towniness or scumminess? Yes, I remember the characters and I basically know what happens in the series. But that doesn't mean that I know the series by heart.

6. right back at ya.

7. as if


Gah! I really need to stop discussing with HSL. Base on feeling I would prefer to lynch him. But as explained further above, I think cristi, who also looks scummy, bears more analysis potential. And maybe my strong conviction that HSL is scum is only my hate of his play-style. Again. Still, I'm fine with either.

Sorry about that, I'll do my best to remember to use underline instead, but I might still slip as it's a deeply rooted habit of
mine. And I'll start right now that it's still fresh in my mind.



[emphasis added]

Not sure what exactly you mean by her cookery, and what point you're trying to make regarding the bit I highlighted. Elaborate?

Not sure I follow what your question in the end there means. Rephrase?


I don't mind so much the repeating myself, as the taking things in isolation/out of context.

For instance [emphasis added]:

You were here during EoD1. You should know have a better idea of how things went down, and if you don't, perhaps you should go back and reread the thread from back then up till now, side by side with the timeline I provided wouldn't be a bad idea as it could refresh your own memory, if you want to form your own opinion instead of riding on someone else's discovery that's been taken in isolation, someone else that wasn't here at the time, and seems not to have properly read through the thread.

I don't know a number of you, and you don't know me. I already explained what my concerns were regarding her wagon during those last 5-10min; it's the last paragraph of my post #646, and I still think they hold true even if we had another 5min. If you (general) can't/don't share them, or even see them, then we have a very different approach to the game in general.

Today (D2) is the Day after. I've made a few comments on her, and I'm in agreement with bler144 that she needs to be sorted; in what way remains to be seen. I'll wait to form an opinion until she talks and explains herself.



[free translation added]

Gottcha.

That's a tad (but only a tad) tongue in cheek; you either didn't read anything, read but missed a great deal of things, or read and just choose to ignore them.

elebutterfly's post suggest that she hasn't read anything since Nightfall (and even that was a hasty read), and I've grown tired of making certain points over and over - seriously people, it's all already in the thread - I'm going to wait and see if/when she does a proper read, and what she has to say next.

I have only one question for her right this moment:

[emphasis added]

How do you know that my post #606 was RIGHT on the deadline?


And as already said, Lifthrabbit has hindered me in following the thread properly since D2 start to the point I don't have an actual picture of what other people have said and/or done. I do want to go over all the D2 non-Lifthrabbit posts, so I'm taking tomorrow off so to speak, to do just that.

Night all.

her cookery was just a silly joke based on the lynch/lunch thing. Sorry


So the reason you wouldn't vote for cristigale is twofold: Firstly because she said she wanted to claim, and you suspected she might be a power/thought a third claim on day one might harm town. Second because you thought the wagon grew too quickly.
Have I got that right?

Do you think Cristi should be pushed to claim/be lynched today?

I do know how fast the last fifteen minutes before the deadline went, and how difficult it was to put information together and make sense.

When you said "I won't let the day end in no-lynch" Did you believe the only possible lynches were SirPrimalform and ZFR?



Okay Hypersomniac has got a bunch of questions, who else needs questions...

Flubbucket - Do you believe ZFR' or SirP's claims? Were you watching the lead up to the deadline? If so, what outcome were you hoping for? How did you feel?

Lifthrabbil - Assume for the moment that Zephyr, Cristi Gee and Hyper Ess are all proven town, who's your favourite scums of the 8 remaining players?

SirP - Brigging Flub also reduces the votes needed by one, so to lunch cristi gee would require six non-flub votes whether he were in the brig or loose on goglactica. With that in mind, what do you propose we do with flub?

Ele - Did you ever vote ZFR? I thought I remembered you had. (I could check Hyper Soh's detailed vote list but it might lose everything I've written so far, so I'll do it after I've posted. Do you reckon ZFR is worth lynching today?

Everybody else - what do you think the strategy should be, proceeding from here? Does it seem to anybody like an impossible mess?


Some of these questions may have delicate answers - please answer only the question and give no further info - or decline to answer altogether - if you think doing so would be giving too much away.

lots of love, Joe x

Spent all weekend working...still working...so much for summer break. Time to catch up.

Sorry bler, it's been a long weekend. I forgot you'd already made a list.

Yeah, I agree. Both about it being NAI for trent and it being open to abuse. I'm sure he's used this as an excuse not to vote people in the past when he has been scum.
But I tend to think trent is fairly townie so I'm not worried about him at the moment, his refusal to lynch people just annoys me sometimes :)

Basically said it was a toss up between cristi and flub as they were the only possible brig wagons, he basically voted on the off chance anyone else changed their minds and decided to utilise the brig before the EoD.

Yep, and I can see that, that's why it's an eyebrow raise rather than a real concern it was the act of scum. Honestly I feel you have defended yourself very well and I'm not interested in your lynch today (other than to prevent another no lynch, but I doubt it would come to that).

Sure, but it's still better than actually losing a scum member day 1. You could always hope to shake off suspicion, you can't revive a dead buddy.


Still catching up on things, just replying to some replies.

For someone who wasn't there, you seem to have little understanding of how that all went down when you're in the midst of it. If I need to claim, my claim is simple. I wasn't claiming and possibly revealing the third town role of the day unless I was fairly certain I was going to be lynched. I wasn't. I wanted players to vote if they intended to so there was time on the clock to submit the claim if needed. And then they need time to read it and react to it.

I was sitting there refreshing...the 5th vote came in with less than 5 minutes left. I kept refreshing waiting to see if someone would place a sixth vote. It didn't come (before the deadline). I don't know if I was aware at the time...but there comes a point where even if I posted my claim...it was not enough time for players to read it and react. We are not a group that seems very adept at a last minute CFD's and the forum software only exacerbated it.

Perhaps you react differently as town....this was how I react.


This second part is reaching. I didn't say anything that any player with mafia experience (which I think is everyone except ZFR) wouldn't know. Since you feign scummed-triggered by it, let me re-state the obvious: if SPF is town role blocker, every night mafia leave him alive, the risk of them getting blocked increases. He may have blocked flub from doing something, we don't know. If SPF is alive come D4 or later, he needs more attention. Of course scum could try to play that angle....but they risk it biting them in the ass. It's self-resolving, either he is a NK or we eventually have to seriously consider lynching him.

Trying to paint what I said as scummy is well, scummy.

Well, from my POV, you and Bookwyrm have been pinging me a good portion of the game. Scum!you doesn't need to share such a viewpoint. But do you? (that's rhetorical, but feel free to reply)

Their claims are suspicious.

Yes.

I was hoping for a lynch.

I felt dyspeptic.

WTF is CFD?!?!?




YPAYFAAGMAFS

{You people and your frakkin' acronyms are giving me a frakkin' seizure.}

Honestly?
It shouldn't even need to be said out loud. The fact that it does is also why the choice of Vitek tells me quite a bit about the scum team, perhaps not who is on it, but certainly who isn't. It tells me they are looking at the game in a certain way, sharing it lets me see the reactions, to see who else is looking at the game in that way.

Give us a reason why you shouldn't be the lynch today, and I don't mean a claim.
Why was the sum total of your contribution to day 1 to tunnel on flub's avatar? Particularly past the point where no one else was interested or going to vote him?

Part of it was how that part of the day played out....SPF claimed and then it felt like the thread froze. Like people didn't know how to respond. In hindsight, that may just be the culture shock between MU and here. Like my comment to ZFR about the time from the claim to his unvote. I'm willing to except his reply at face value. Although still not sure what I make of him. I agree with we lynch him today or hard-town him, but I don't think that's where I am as far a lynching. Still catching up.

Back to SPF...I don't know what SPF's scum game is like, but i thought he handled it well. And I thought the claim made sense. I don't discount he may be scum-role blocker instead, but I'm not interested in pursing it today (self-resolving). Gun-to-head, I think he is town.

CFD - A Chinese Fire Drill is when everyone switches votes last minute and lynches a player previously not in contention to be lynched.

I think it's mainly used over at MU.

Partly, because I'm stubborn and really thought I had something. Like, I still think he's scum but I find it counter productive to pursue today, unless he does something ping worthy. Generally, I find flubb un-readbale. I believe his vote on me is opportunistic but that doesn't prove a thing.

Part of it was another game (I can't say more about this yet.).

I'm not going to try and build a big case for myself, I'm just going to play. I will say that scum!me would not have spent so much time on something that got such flack. Town me doesn't care if my stance is unpopular.

Still have plenty to catch-up, but ask if you have it.

Seliousry