Do you expect him to be alive Day Three??

Hello,

Sorry for the absence yesterday. I'll be catching up today, see you soon!

Lots of love,
SirPrimalform

I've been struggling to keep up with the overly-detailed overly-personal squabbling that seems to have dominated most of today, but I've answered questions where they've been put to me, given my reads, and asked questions of others to try and encourage a little more diversity in the debate.

With regards ZFR, I didn't remove my vote from him since I cast it because he was a viable wagon, and always a scum read - when I had my doubts, there were enough other people with ZFR-worries for it to be worth maintaining pressure. After a while I got the image in my head of him turning up mafia and me being able to say "everybody look at how clever I am, I was voting for him the entire day." Is it a particularly useful tactic for anybody? w/w they're mafia or town?


I'm not so sure of myself that I'd continue to assume there was no roleblocker - based on me guessing what PoppyAppletree was thinking - while we have somebody saying "I'm a roleblocker".

I'm fairly confident SirP is some form of blocking power, because it's a silly thing to falseclaim. ALTHOUGH THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT, in this game where we might assume a roleblocker is less likely, a risky scum might go follow that logic and claim, trusting that it's a strong town role that won't get counter-claimed....

can I see SirP taking a risk like that? Hm... maybe. Yes he might have decided much earlier in the day that's what he'd do if asked to claim... hmmm... a compelling thought.

Hmm, I wasn't even taking the votes into account. I'm assuming you're framing it specifically around the lynch of Cristi G (who when you write it that way sounds like an 80s teen pop star) because she's the leading wagon and because Flub's voting for her. Yes, it's a good point that the removal of his vote is mitigated by the reduction in majority requirement.

I'd be up for lynching him but no one else seems to have any enthusiasm, I still think we should at least brig him. I mean I know Flub is Flub, but I think his play is notably anti-town at the moment. I kind of gave up on questioning his terrible logic since his only response was (interpolated) "Go on then, lynch me!".

Helpful!

Wow. Even expanded I don't understand the idiom. The only explanation I can think of is a racist one. =/

I lol'd.

Actually, my dying wish was not for him to be lynched and he wasn't even my biggest scum-read. I simply wanted to make sure he wasn't let off the hook if I wasn't there to remember it.
I'd already laid out my scum reads earlier in the day, the reason I was so insistent about Flub is because he was a much more recent ping on my radar and I wanted to make sure someone picked up on it.
Since I'm alive, I am able to follow it myself and it's the reason I blocked him and proposed to brig him.

Very meta as I've known him for years, but I think scum-Joe would be doing a lot more dancing and gleeful hand rubbing. This feels like Joe's normal level of fun, but he's always really hard to read.

Just noticed, it looks like cristi is on L-2. I'm going to go back do a bit of re-reading.

Hmm, just been going over people's various reasons for jumping on the cristi-wagon and this stood out. Basically no reason given other than 'might as well vote for someone' and it reads to me as "Whoops, don't want to be too late jumping on what looks to be the leading wagon or I'll look scummy!".

Difficult question. HSL is right in one aspect: I was too focused on him and his likely scum-mates. So I'll have to ISO the others one by one to get a good read. That will take a while. Just by feeling I would say flubbucket. But I'll get back to you with more once I had the time to read and I'll try to ignore HSL's scumminess in the meantime.

Another feelings I have at the moment: bler is town. Even though he is defending HSL, his reasoning and conviction appear genuine. So I think he is town that was fooled by HSL.

But that's not what you wrote. However, we have been over it and it may be semantics and a misunderstanding. Do we really need to do the same discussion again, how I understood your post and what you, supposedly (and maybe retroactively) meant by it? I think not.

Concerning your next question: why your buddy HSL and not Joe? Easy: HSL was the one who clearly warned of the very close deadline and it would have been easy for him to vote instead of warning 'hey, less than 5 min left'. But that's another discussion that has been discussed back and forth for ages and HSL finally dropped it. Do you really want to keep it alive and discuss everything again? Why? To distract?

Ohhh! I like that! It's so fitting. :-)

But you forgot OMGUS - Orcs Must Get Useful Swords!

And if you had actually read what I wrote, you would know that it isn't what I think you were doing. But probably you are aware of that and intentionally misrepresent what I theoretized.
Yes, an unaware Sleeper would fit the flavour of the game but would be a non-standard role which also would make the game somewhat culty. What I suspected was rather that you are a standard role, that roughly fits the sleeper flavour: the Mafia Traitor. How that role is usually implemented is: one player shares the win-con of scum, but isn't told the identities of his co-scum and doesn't get access to the scum-chat. In 'Normal' games on MS, the regular scum know that there is a traitor amongst the townies, but don't know who he is. Traitor players usually have the problem how to alert their scumbuddies to their presence, so that they aren't NKed or driven to mislynch by their unknowing buddies. I think your mentioning of Sleepers was exactly that: a signal to your unknown buddies that You are the hidden Traitor. Am I correct?

Ah yes. There we have the orc-swords.

@trent: yes, maybe different uses of semantics again and definitely different playstyles. I don't like your position on this, but that doesn't make you scum.

Which is why I'm currently voting cristi. I think HSL feels scummier. But she feels scummy too and her flip would reveal more.

I'm not accusing HSL of being a terrible person. I never even accused drealmer of being a terrible person, on the contrary. Outside of the game we get along quite well. Same with HSL. Outside the games I like him. He just is a person that has a knack of making me furious when playing because I feel like he is constantly misunderstanding me. And sometimes, like in this game I can't shake the feeling that that is intentional.

OK. Off to some work. Then I'll do some reading of Joe and ele. So far I don't have any feeling about these two.

And of course the more specific OMBUS - Orcs Must Buy Useful Swords.

The "aren't you that person who posts votecounts?" votecount:

Lynch:

cristigale - 5 (trentonlf, flubbucket, adaliaBookwyrms, Lifthrasil, bler144)
HypersomniacLive - 3 (ZFR, elebutterfly, Damnation)
Lifthrasil - 1 (cristigale)

Brig:

Damnation - 1 (ZFR)
trentonlf - 1 (elebutterfly)
flubbucket - 1 (SirPrimalform)
HypersomniacLive - 1 (Lifthrasil)

With 12 active players, it takes 7 votes to reach a consensus.

Yet you have not voted him or said you found him scummy until I asked you. I would think a town cristi would be scum hunting today since most of your focus was on flub yesterday for his avatar, but you are just reacting to people's questions and trying to deflect attention away from yourself.


The game I can remember where the question came up was where I was scum with Lift. Hyper and adalia had our number that game, at least I think it was that game. I could be wrong as it's been awhile.

P.S. I hope everything is ok at home!

I meant to ask, anyone else who’s using Chrome having issues with the forum? I had to switch browsers to be able to post.

Heh, if this isn't sincere; someone else tried that already. And failed.

In case it is however, I have to say that it's certainly news to me; I don't think you've let on before that playing with me is such a chore for you. But you know what? It's a problem with a very simple and easy solution - we don't have to play together again. Like ever.

Either way, I advice you to drop it as I foremost consider it bad sportsmanship, and had never before related that to you; don't make me start now.

And one last thing, just for the record - I didn't skim any of your posts before #723, and the reason I did that one is that on first parse I didn't see anything new that warranted a more thorough read. I've read all your arguments and discussions with others; rest assured I've not missed your points, I'm just not convinced that those "fine, it may be as you say" are genuine.



Basically yes, there's more behind it, but before going into it I'd like to go through her posts from last night.


At the time they were the viable wagons, but I was open to other lynches as well as things were.

When I suggested to go back and read things in context, it wasn't because there was a shift in my position from "I won't let the day end in no-lynch" to "Hmm, hmm, no-Lynch looks the better option" (as a number of you seem to read into things), and I wanted you to see when that happened. I was still very much in favour of Lynch till the very last moment, what I wasn't in favour of is a CFD within the last 10-15min of EoD, as I doubted we'd be able to go the full cycle before running out of time, or if we somehow managed to, we'd have the time and clarity to evaluate things and reach a rational decision. Again, there's more to this, but I want to go through cristigale's posts first; if she hasn't addressed things I want her to, I'd rather not have handed her ways out.



See, that's my issue here. I can understand Bookwyrm627's fascination with the new toy, because... Bookwyrm627, but I can't wrap my head around what looks like sheer indifference, at best, regarding the D1 Lynch. At the most critical time, he wants to CFD elebutterfly of all people, but still walks away with a "I want her lynched, but do lynch her for me, and without me. In the mean time, I'll be over there playing with this new shiny toy we have called brig, and I invite you all to also play with it".


[emphasis added]

Are you sure about that given the theme we have here? ;-P



Heh.


Of course you did. Is it something specific about ZFR's claim, and if so, what exactly?

And speaking of ZFR, he's got a whole of 5 posts Today, and in all but one he's still at where he left off Yesterday...


Look at it as an opportunity to expedite the process of becoming a cyborg.

Yeah, it's not something I'd ever heard of so I presume it's American in origin...

Thanks, that will do for me.
(thanks to Joe for his reply to)

Well, no, that's not my reason for voting cristi. That should be fairly clear from my posts today, my comment relates to the fact that I'm pretty much the most bloodthirsty player here (particularly now that yogs isn't playing anymore) and will generally lynch anything that moves or looks at me the wrong way. Spending a few (real) days in game without having placed a vote is very alien to me.

Are you using BE? There's an issue with the Footer bugfix that you might need to turn off if it's the same thing (and GOG have had issues with the account bar and stuff).

I can understand that, I can't really say why. My assumption is that Bookwyrm was unavailable at EoD and didn't particularly fancy either ZFR's wagon or a possible wagon on cristi (which didn't really exist at that point if I remember the timings right) so went for his next best read of ele.

You know I almost hedged my bets and mentioned the possibility of some kind of necromancer role but didn't think it worth mentioning.. I should have known someone would call me on it :P

YES! It was fine on an outdated version of Chrome at work, but since getting home I'm definitely having issues.

The bottom of the page is missing... It might be that GOG has changed something in a way that doesn't agree with Barefoot Essentials or Adalia Fundamentals so I'm going to try disabling them. Out of interest, do you use them?

Chinese Fire Drill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_fire_drill

Yes I'm using BE, how do I turn off the buggix?


Yes, I use both of them.