OK, Bookwyrm is very convincing.

unvote Bookwyrm
Vote Joe

The "dancing slowly" votecount:

Lynch:

JoeSapphire - 5 (Lifthrasil, trentonlf, yogsloth, adaliaBookwyrms, ZFR)
yogsloth - 1 (bler144)
elebutterfly - 1 (SirPrimalform)

None - 3 (elebutterfly, JoeSapphire, Damnation)

Brig:

trentonlf - 2 (bler144, SirPrimalform)
Damnation - 1 (adaliaBookwyrms)

None - 7 (yogsloth, elebutterfly, JoeSapphire, Damnation, Lifthrasil, trentonlf, ZFR)

With 10 active players, it takes 6 votes to reach a consensus.

They could be. One of my notes in Joe's section references the possibility of Joe/SPF.

You think Bler might be town, and Trent has Damnation as likely town. I'd wager there aren't 4 scum, so my list of 4 includes at least one town. I'm just not sure who, and I'm leaning on my town bloc to help sort which one(s) are town.

Also, looks like Joe "should we let someone at L-1 claim before hammering?" Sapphire is now at L-1.

That's fine - it actually wasn't shade, just a plea that we not have more conversations about CoC.

Though I suppose they technically aren't conversations anyway since you're the only with enough knowledge of canon to talk about it. ;)

1. The first part is strange. D1/D2 really can't be compared. D1 most of the crowd sat on their thumbs until the last 5-10 hours to even form any wagon much less push someone to the point of claiming. Here we had multiple days to solidify on cristi and it was pretty much a given she was going to be lynched.

So for me it's kinda the opposite - I don't give JoeS crap for not voting there because he was clear he was there, Trent was there, I had said I would vote cristi if it came to it. It was going to happen. But by the same token I don't really give him much credit for saying he's going to vote on a done deal.

On the second point, you're blaming the wrong person there. I have been the one pushing for a counterclaim to SPF if one exists - Joe was asking for a group opinion on whether I was crazy or not. So if you want to blame someone, by all means, I'm here.

2. I realize you probably hadn't pre-post refreshed, but I would refer you to post 1092 & 1094 immediately before yours, that are a) longer, b) hilarious, and c) explain why I was attempting an experience while attempting to frak with yogsloth, albeit poorly.

Though it was a kinda crappy day at work, plus lunch with a colleague whose entire staff got laid off and is losing her job in two months and might have to relocate her family, so I may not be funny again for a few posts. Bear with me here.

Shit, you guys have really been at it while I was playing music. Is this what scumpiling looks like?

Well the lack of voting after stating on D1 that "the lynch is the only weapon we have!" (paraphrased) is at least pretty hypocritical. I've had Joe townish for most of the game but my meta read of him is that he tends to be pretty inscrutable.

I don't think Joe will be able to come online and claim until tomorrow so we should hold our horses.

The question was for everyone I have found scummy throughout the entire game, not my current reads. It's not like I currently have a 7 person scum team in mind. My current speculative scum team is Book, ele and trent with an eye on you because you're new.

Wait, how the hell did we rush to L-1 here?

That doesn't look suspicious to anyone else?

I wouldn't even say weaker - I don't even see how your conclusion logically follows your premise.

SPF suspects Flub/Ele/Wyrm publicly and scum don't kill him because they think he's on the wrong track, but unexpectedly he blocks N2 trent instead on a hunch and this makes D3 trent town...

how exactly?

Please, explain.

I...pretty strongly disagree with this assessment.

Trent was on ZFR until I hopped from SPF to ZFR to bring ZFR to L-2 in post #317. You jump on SPF in #346. At that point (#348, July 10) Trent resolutely declares "That's it! ZFR is town and ne'er shall I be party to lynching someone I know to be town somehow!" and hops to cristi taking ZFR back to L-3.

ok, to be fair his first statement is [url=http://somewhat more tempered]somewhat more tempered[/url], but over the course of the day he'd made a range of absolute reasons why he wasn't gettin' on that wagon. The wagon was suspicious (cristi, SPF, Lift), etc. etc. And SPF's presence was NAI considering each ZFR/SPF were voting the primary counterwagon, and of course, cristi is now known to be town.

He then hops to SPF in 491. SPF is pushed to claim and Trent hops off in #533 and back to cristi in 562.

But whether ZFR is town or not, Trent, regardless of alignment, defended his decision to jump off ZFR so strongly he put himself in a position where getting back on ZFR, regardless of ZFR's alignment, would have drawn all kinds of eyebrows. I think you're oversimplifying.

I noticed it, I mentioned it above as a half joke about scumpiling. :P

It's interesting that both Book and Trent are on there though.

Honestly, someone on that wagon should probably go ahead and unvote Joe there. Just a signifier that you plan to vote is enough if the point is to push him to claim.

We still have some yammering to do (ele /damn each have what, 1 post?) and there's not even a deadline yet.

Where the hell is dedo when you really need him?

I quite look forward to this. Should be a wonderful read.



Lol - ironically the fact that you were alive definitely made me suspicious of you.

But, watching D3 progress, the toaster not on cristi's wagon is almost certainly ZFR after all, and despite Trent's claim about bussing, he didn't here, for reasons that are both tactical and probably very Trent-y. I imagine he wanted ZFR to have fun and not just get knocked out that easy over some minor mistakes.

He is that kinda guy, even as a baddie.

unbrig
unvote
vote trent
brig Wyrm



Yeah, with 2 mislynches to go we should definitely just leave him hanging out there at L-1 hoping Ele shows up and votes without reading up again. Good thinking!

But seriously, I would like to at least read the remainder of your reads treatise before we proceed. So, like maybe unvote and just declare your undying intent to vote again?

In a way I guess I'm to blame, but this surge to 5 votes is...quite interesting. I did not expect that. Ironically, I looked closer at Joe because of a bland observation adalia made, so it's interesting that I followed up first just to poke at him and now you're driving that train.

Full circle, I guess.

Yeah. Lots of things are interesting there. One of trent/yogs/wyrm needs to get off while we actually talk it through and perhaps get a claim if we're still doing those.

OK,

unvote Joe

Just so nobody hammers too quickly.

I really should have included that in the previous votecount.

Day 3 will end at 23:00 UTC on Thursday the 26th of July, which is 47 hours from now. Should anyone like an extension, please let me know.

Enh, a wagon running up isn't alignment indicative in any kind of vacuum.

Nobody hammering who had the chance is what's more alignment indicative - If Joe is mafia, his buddies need to derail the wagon. If he's Town, those who logged in (SPF, bler) and didn't hammer probably aren't Mafia either.

Although I should note a world where both Joe and SPF are Town becomes very, very small and uncomfortable.

Wait, 3/10 -> 3/8 -> 3/6 GAME OVER

One mis-lynch left.

Unless you think there are only two scum.

Four scum we would have zero left - we'd be at MYLO already. (er, for the acronym challenged, I forget exactly what it stands for, but it means a mis-lynch results in an automatic loss, but a no-lynch extends you a day) But 4/13 would be horrific balance in the first place. Two scum and we'd have two mis-lynches left - but that would also be hard to believe.

Are you trying to derp clear here, bler?

Considering I'd have Vigged him in the face N1 if I could, I'm happy to sit tight. Looks like ZFR has you covered, though.

Why not one of Lift/ZFR?

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Anyway. Pulling out and organizing the notes. It will probably take me more than 10 minutes to get it together, so no need for a bump.

thanks, dedo

No - look at your own flow chart. One mislynch takes us to 3/8, second to 3/6. Right? So yes, one mislynch to mylo, but two to loss, barring a block, etc.

Nah, no need.

I assumed Euro-types were already sound asleep. So I asked the Amerikanskiis.

I look forward to it! Very exciting!

bump for wyrm

On normal sites, sure. You forget this is GOG and the standard pace of 1 vote per week is common practice.