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Krankor: Endless surprises at GOG (no way did I ever think we'd see a Racing Promo!).
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chautemoc: DId you miss the first one? That was a good week. :)
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iWi: It usually works this way, that there is a certain sell-off period during which certain publisher or distributor (Codemasters in this case) are not allowed to produce given title anymore, but they can sell the remaining stock. Once the stock is on the shelve it can stay there for years even and its really up to the retailer if they are willing to carry TOCA 3 or they want to return it.
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Weclock: Also, they may retain the rights in certain countries to still use those names.
For Example, in Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom in Japan, Tatsunoko is one company, but here in America a bajillion different companies own the rights to all the different Tatsunoko characters, which means because Capcom is bringing the game here, they have to make deals with everyone here.
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Weclock: Yeah, REALLY impressed with them for that. And MvsC2 was tough to get as well. Can't help it, I am a total whore for Capcom. I hope they come here one day -- they would definitely fit in well in terms of personality and catalogue.
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BoxOfSnoo: I think TOCA was because of licenses they use in the game - Codemasters couldn't distribute it indefinitely.
I grabbed CMR without a second thought though. I think this was the shortest announcement-to-purchase time for me yet! Probably under 1 minute :)
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PhoenixWright: Under a minute for me as well. Boy, this advertising is really working on me.
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PhoenixWright: I didn't see any advertising.

What exactly from Capcom's back-catalogue would you like to see here. They do not have many old PC titles unfortunately.
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LazyAndroid: Oh, you have Codemasters on your catalogue? I really loved Micro Machines when I was a kid, would you bring those back?

It is being discussed, but it does take quite some time. In other words - we are working on it :)
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iWi: They move on with the development and its really tough to go back to a game and let's say remove half of the cars - do not forget its not only about the names. Let's say Subaru for example looks in a certain characteristic way and you would have to change the actual car, what becomes really difficult.
It usually works this way, that there is a certain sell-off period during which certain publisher or distributor (Codemasters in this case) are not allowed to produce given title anymore, but they can sell the remaining stock. Once the stock is on the shelve it can stay there for years even and its really up to the retailer if they are willing to carry TOCA 3 or they want to return it.
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StealthKnight: So Gog does not count as a retailer that chose to keep it on the shelf but Steam does? Sounds like an overly complicated situation that shouldn't be.

All I can say is that's what is in our agreement and we have to follow it. There is no evil master plan behind it or anything - you will surely see both TOCA and Colin disappearing from the shelves/platforms all around the world, but it does depend on specific terms of each company, their sell-off periods, etc.
Post edited July 22, 2009 by iWi
@iWi
Thanks for filling us in!
never saw that one coming. bought mcrae 2 days ago. :x
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StealthKnight: So Gog does not count as a retailer that chose to keep it on the shelf but Steam does? Sounds like an overly complicated situation that shouldn't be.

iwi was describing how agreements work and not necessarily how the other distribution / retail partners work or how their agreements work. We are envious that some other partners of Codemasters obviously have it better but we can only do the best we can with what we have.
@LazyAndroid - We'll see what we can do about Micro Machines and other Codemasters titles. We did manage to bring in Cannon Fodder some time ago, just in case you missed it ;)
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Oldski: [...] we can only do the best we can with what we have.[...]

And you surely do that! It's great you announced a promo in honor of both TOCA 3 and CMR05.
My brother bought 1NSANE during the previous racing promo :-).
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iWi: All I can say is that's what is in our agreement and we have to follow it. There is no evil master plan behind it or anything - you will surely see both TOCA and Colin disappearing from the shelves/platforms all around the world, but it does depend on specific terms of each company, their sell-off periods, etc.
That was a mess of a reply, was it you who were saying you were excited about Marvel Vs Capcom 2?
Anyway, that's my favorite 2D fighting game..
But yeah, GOG won't sell a game unless it can sell it all over the world, while Steam will sell to wherever they can, and ignore other places of the world, I'm certain it's just a case that the license codemasters had for that specific game has ended in some parts of the world.
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whodares2: Well this whole situation is quite pooey for GOG and it's consumers.
My question is directed at GOG: When you agreed to carry CMR2005 in the first place did you guys know that this day would come? Or did Codemasters "surprise" you folks with this turn of events?
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iWi: Yes we did - this was part of the deal. It could have been better indeed, but I believe having these titles for even limited time is better than not having them at all.

I agree. It sucks for the people that still don't know GOG and who may arrive after these games are pulled from the catalogue, but for the ones who are already here... Well, I already own Toca 3 and CMR 2005 for unlimited time, so I think it was really a good thing.
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iWi: All I can say is that's what is in our agreement and we have to follow it. There is no evil master plan behind it or anything - you will surely see both TOCA and Colin disappearing from the shelves/platforms all around the world, but it does depend on specific terms of each company, their sell-off periods, etc.
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Weclock: That was a mess of a reply, was it you who were saying you were excited about Marvel Vs Capcom 2?
Anyway, that's my favorite 2D fighting game..
But yeah, GOG won't sell a game unless it can sell it all over the world, while Steam will sell to wherever they can, and ignore other places of the world, I'm certain it's just a case that the license codemasters had for that specific game has ended in some parts of the world.

It wasn't me mentioning Marvel vs Capcom 2. I just asked if there are any specific PC back-cat titles GOG users would like to see on our site.
Post edited July 22, 2009 by iWi
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Weclock: That was a mess of a reply, was it you who were saying you were excited about Marvel Vs Capcom 2?
Anyway, that's my favorite 2D fighting game..
But yeah, GOG won't sell a game unless it can sell it all over the world, while Steam will sell to wherever they can, and ignore other places of the world, I'm certain it's just a case that the license codemasters had for that specific game has ended in some parts of the world.
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iWi: It wasn't me mentioning Marvel vs Capcom 2. I just asked if there are any specific PC back-cat titles GOG users would like to see on our site.
oh, you mean of capcom games?
Resident Evil series would be great, many of them were ported to PC. As well as The Original Street Fighter Series, If you could get Translated versions of Gyakuten Saiban, Ghosts 'n Goblins also got a PC release as well as the Megaman series.
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Weclock: That was a mess of a reply, was it you who were saying you were excited about Marvel Vs Capcom 2?
Anyway, that's my favorite 2D fighting game..
But yeah, GOG won't sell a game unless it can sell it all over the world, while Steam will sell to wherever they can, and ignore other places of the world, I'm certain it's just a case that the license codemasters had for that specific game has ended in some parts of the world.
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iWi: It wasn't me mentioning Marvel vs Capcom 2. I just asked if there are any specific PC back-cat titles GOG users would like to see on our site.

If I could suggest a few Capcom games that made it to the PC: Breath Of Fire IV, Chaos Legion, Dino Crisis, Resident Evil, Street Fighter Alpha 2, Street Fighter 2 Turbo and X-Men: Children of the Atom. Of course who actually developed and published the PC versions is a potential headache.
It's a shame about Colin but its a reasonable reason and cant be helped.
This is all the more reason to get Rally Trophy on GOG. :-)
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whodares2: Well this whole situation is quite pooey for GOG and it's consumers.
My question is directed at GOG: When you agreed to carry CMR2005 in the first place did you guys know that this day would come? Or did Codemasters "surprise" you folks with this turn of events?
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iWi: Yes we did - this was part of the deal. It could have been better indeed, but I believe having these titles for even limited time is better than not having them at all.

Fair enough. Thank you for your response and the insight.
I agree I would rather have a title for a while than not at all. So thank you for all of your efforts. If a game is to be removed this is a great way to send it off.
As far as back-cat. for Capcom, my all time favourite was the Resident Evil series. I would love to see it here one day.
Just out of curiosity, what is the status of Operation Flashpoint? Is it still possible that it may return to this site?
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iWi: Yes we did - this was part of the deal. It could have been better indeed, but I believe having these titles for even limited time is better than not having them at all.
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whodares2: Fair enough. Thank you for your response and the insight.
I agree I would rather have a title for a while than not at all. So thank you for all of your efforts. If a game is to be removed this is a great way to send it off.
As far as back-cat. for Capcom, my all time favourite was the Resident Evil series. I would love to see it here one day.
Just out of curiosity, what is the status of Operation Flashpoint? Is it still possible that it may return to this site?

Thank you (and all the others involved) for your Capcom's most-wanted list. We will definitely work on it. As for Operation Flashpoint, we are pushing to have it back as soon as possible, but it will take some more time. We are sincerely doing our best here asking almost every day, but the final resolution is not up to us. I am sorry, but I can not share more at this point.
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iWi: Thank you (and all the others involved) for your Capcom's most-wanted list. We will definitely work on it.

Hm... are you saying that Capcom will be next publisher on GOG? :>
I would love to see some Microprose and SSI titles onboard one day.