This I also don't doubt that much since when he made his claim there were 3 other people who could have stopped him in the works with an investigation or something else. I'm pretty sure what he says he did is true. The shyness also seems like something too specific and weird to come up with for no reason (or at least I can't see a reason where it helps his case). As you said, I'm concerned about the underlying motives and goals.

As for the names patter realism isn't really the best term since half of the people are fictional but outside of flub we all seem to allude to a very specific person in a very direct way (the only major difference being Jill Armstrong but I'd appoint that to the goal of keeping proper genders).

Either way, if flub is honest about his night actions the torturer is among HSL and myself (at least from your perspective). What do you make of HSL's claim and mine in the context of everything that was revealed already? I'm still a bit short on time to make a full re-read to double-check HSL's night actions but on first glance the double-tap seems like the most notable thing for me. If you have time, please try to cross-check on your end as well.

Did you have a chance to see what approach I suggested? What do you think about it?

I see the inconsistency now that you mention it. I may have had the germ of it, but it wasn’t clicking in terms of the bigger picture. I imagine that was the impetus behind this thought:
But no, at the time, I overlooked it.

They could both be lying. As indicated in my last post, I think flubb is likely telling the truth about his night actions. And if so, one of you or dedo must be lying, someone killed JMich.

I was somewhat expecting you to claim the kill. It makes sense for a town KP (kill power) to target JMich. You made a case on why the kills could be town. I don’t know why you would do that if you were lying about it.

It’s cataracts. Not sure where glaucoma came from. Must have transposed that in my head.

Did I answer all your questions up to that point? I believe I addressed my thoughts on flubb's name in my last post. I’ll be back in about 4 hours. Will get to you and dedo's more recent questions then.

Grandpa flubb...this makes me smile. :-)

https://imgur.com/sZWiYwb

Stopping for some lunch in Charleston.

I don't know if this is what flubb meant, but I see the shy part (if true) as a mechanic to make the role potentially less potent. It reduces the likelihood that he successfully kills each night. I think that's what he meant by diminish.

I meant to include this in the last one. Are you familiar with the term 'neighborhood watch'? If not, it's used in the states to denote neighbors who look out for one another - notice suspicious activity and report it and/or make their presence known in order to reduce crime in the their neighborhood. It is often an official organization within the neighborhood, where neighbors actually have scheduled meetings and post signs throughout the neighborhood that a 'neighborhood watch' exists. It's intended to dissuade criminals from targeting the area.

With the Zimmerman incident, Mr. Zimmerman claimed that he confronted the young man (who was walking by) because he seemed out of place in the neighborhood and was confronting him as a concerned neighbor. The confrontation escalated to a physical altercation that resulted in the youth being shot.

Is that your grandson? He's sweet!


Flub seems to be enjoying with more important stuff. Shouldn't we wait for him before we do whatever?

@mod, this is probably starting to get a bit annoying but maybe another small extension?

Regardless of what I said previously I'm not voting for anyone who is looking after their loved ones. At least not until they have come back to the game without sacrificing any quality time.

Adorable!


What are you waiting for? Time to produce a daughter.



I second this; in spite the actions of Shooty McShootpants, grandpa (dedo?) flubbucket should be given the time and space to enjoy his holiday with his family.


Off to catch up.

I didn't quite follow this at the end. Did you mean me instead of Sage in the bold portion? I think you're trying to establish if Lift would have visited me N2. If that's the case, I don't remember Lift voicing strong suspicions of me. I was suspicious of Lift. Perhaps that prompted a visit - that's all I can think of. I don't remember anything notable apart from that.

I'm quite sincere with my desire for the game to continue on schedule . I had already contacted RWarehall and stated my plan to keep up via phone and beach towel.

Cristigale provided excellent explanations and clarification. Thanks.

You forgot JMich.

Lifthrasil made post #606 claiming to have information about some N1 activity not related to any of the dead. But given his flip and the flavour regarding his alignment, "Lift didn't stay on the straight and narrow", he may have not been truthful in that post, and was just trying to position himself as a non-killing role.

I'm not sure what you mean by "if Lift showed some interest in Sage", or how Lifthrasil's interest in Sage103082 is relevant in figuring out who may have visited cristigale. Unless you meant to say cristigale and not Sage103082?

Here's something interesting about N2.

Going into N2 there were 8 of us alive: Lifthrasil, trentonlf, Sage103082, JMich, flubbucket, me, you, and cristigale.
trentonlf targeted JMich, flubbucket targeted cristigale, I targeted Sage103082, you did nothing (used your shot on N1), and cristigale targeted Lifthrasil.

Lifthrasil and Sage103082 died. I killed Sage103082. that leaves Lifthrasil's death unaccounted for.

flubbucket tried to kill cristigale.
If Lifthrasil's and JMich's kills were performed by the same person, as the mod indicated, then it's reasonably safe to assume that JMich didn't kill Lifthasil, unless he committed suicide (yeah, right).
The flavour, suggesting that Lifthrail's killer was still alive after N2, seems to also rule out Sage103082.
The rest of you (trentonlf, you and cristigale), claim to have performed other actions or none, and to have no killing powers.

So, who killed Lifthrasil?

If Lifthrasil, Sage103082 and JMich all had a killing power, as their flavour suggests, and one of them visited cristigale, why didn't she die, even if flubbucket failed? If neither visited her, why did flubbucket fail?


And then, there's JMich's death on N3 that's also unaccounted for.


I had never heard of it before, and couldn't understand what had happened when I saw it in the flavour. Inquiring about it yielded not much more information than what was given in the thread - basically, since I had been in law enforcement, and for that many years, I had the training, skill, and experience to perform said shot, and should I have the chance to act as Vigilante again, I may or may not use the same technique .Perhaps her being ex-military has something to do with it, but that's pure speculation on my part after seeing the flavour, as the info I got was along the lines of what he posted in the thread - spicing the flavour to keep things varied/fresh and ((paraphrasing here, and hope it's ok sharing this) head-scratching enough.

I'm not sure I follow the bit about the mod going out of his way, etc. I didn't read his posts as him going out of his way to clarify, at least not more than when he clarified the situation regarding drealmer7 and Bookwyrm627. In that context, perhaps his clarifications are meant to keep us from wandering too far off with our speculations, given that things are pretty muddled as it is.


Yes, I act every Night. From what I was told, this condition is tied to the one about rotating through all of my abilities once to get a second chance at using any one of them again before the game ends, should I survive long enough, that is.

As for the gunsmith-ing - things didn't go down that way, because unlike some here *cough... trentonlf... cough* I did ask for clarifications as I've never been JOAT before, and that included what I could and couldn't do on N0. I knew from previous games that here on GOG killing is a no-go on N0, and it was confirmed this game as well in the form of (paraphrashing) a line about Vigilante being out and Doctor having no meaning to use. But nothing specific about the other two abilities. I asked about the Roleblocker, was told that I was allowed to use it, but decided against it as with no kills on N0, I run the risk of interfering with town-investigation role(s), while it would be actually useful from N1 onwards. So, decided to act as Gunsmith, and submitted my target.


Why weird? A Cop investing and reporting alignments is what I've seen as regular Cop in plenty of games here on GOG. IIRC, that was yogsloth's role in game #25, and flubbucket's in game #37.

If flubb flips town, from my perspective, one of you or Hyper must be neutral/mafia. If you are town, game over - I don't see how we stop Hyper. If Hyper is town, town stands a chance with his JOAT options. Night actions will likely determine the winner. I can visit one of you but I doubt we have another Day to discuss the results. If by chance, we all managed to be around D5, my report may be useful. If my report is Not the Same, my target is scum. If the report is The Same, that player could be Town or "Town".

If flubb flips "town" or mafia and the game does not end, I think we're still in the same position. A neutral/mafia remains. The only thing that could be different, is if flubb flips mafia. If he flips mafia, my results would change should we make it to D5. I'd be surprised by a The Same report (don't expect two mafia remain unless someone else flips "mafia"). A Not the Same report would not distinguish between town or neutral.

I believe the same basic premises are true if we lynched Hyper. Town-Hyper is similar to the first option. If you're town, we have no defense going into the night against flubb. If flubb is town, it's down to Night Actions and depends on your real role. Scum-Hyper is similar in premise to the second option

If we lynch me and you're town, town is at the mercy of the shots Hyper/flubb take. That's a game of chance on who kills whom. If you're not town, I am not sure of the options depending on your role.

If we lynch you and you're town, same situation as the last. It is a game of NA chance determined by Hyper/flubb. If you were lynched and flip non-town, and the game continues, town has a chance depending on NAs,

I hope that made sense, it gets confusing after a bit.

It started raining so I'm reading whilst wifey is driving us back.

@HypersomniacLive...regarding alignments I'm gonna go with cristigale and d I are town you're neutral and dedoporno is scum.

Did someone ask something else?

You are correct, I meant Lift visiting you in which case flub got scared away by him.


I didn't forget about him, I excluded him intentionally because he flipped quoted Town hence a killer in which case he would have killed cristi instead of flub. Unless also shy or other preventions.


Already asnwered to cristi that yes, I meant her.


It's becoming a trend since JMich died in the same way and his death is also unaccounted for.


This is correct. I realized my mistake as soon as I started reading my own paragraph which you quoted. I think that at the time when I wrote it I may still not have realized the ability to cycle the powers.


How many games have you played when players start to contemplate some revealed information and the mod goes "Hey guys, you are reading this wrong. It's supposed to mean EXACTLY that!"? I'm not saying it's stranger that making sure we know exactly what we are supposed to know, but just as strange. He seemed very interested in us not going in the wrong direction. I really don't see a situation where this is not noteworthy and can just be brushed off.


Didn't Trent state that people were supposed to flip quote-less? Also, why would a basic Cop know about the quotes? Hence weird.


I knew another set of eyes would be be helpful. I entirely forgot about the quotes reporting in the same way. This takes away some of the coverage I had in mind but I still think it covers more than the other option. I wouldn't leave the game to be decided between flub and HSL really, but I'd obviously say that regardless of what my alignment is. The question is if you (and it's mostly you) see pros and cons in the plan in the same way I do or you prefer to take your chances with flub and HSL where you're just a bystander.

Also, I said you should investigate me but I'm too tired to try and figure out all possibilities and if I'm the better choice over HSL if it matters at all. Feel free to share your thoughts on that as well. This goes for HSL as well, and why not flub if he wants to chime in even though we are talking about lynching him.

Wow, I botched that sentence to a new level. It was supposed to say "I'm not saying it's stranger than making sure we know exactly what we are supposed to know about wyrm and drealmer, but just as strange."


Flub said he will be here and doesn't want extensions. It's getting late here, I'll be going to bed soon and time is almost up so

vote flubbucket

The rest is up to HSL and cristi.