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fortune_p_dawg: yes, doesn't bother me. if it did i'd have started using steam a long time ago. fortunately living in a metro area affords me internet access with no data cap.

and yes, being able to simple download a small patch is great but i'd much rather have fully patched installers. both are preferable though.
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richlind33: With net neutrality on the way out, data caps and/or throttling are likely on the way in.
They are already here... I have a capped/ throttled connection, net neutrality did nothing to stop that, so makes no difference to me. Only difference is specific content could be capped/throttled and/or charged more for over other content. The only thing big ISP's really care about is big streaming services like Netflix since they directly compete with traditional TV since most big ISP's also have a stake in that and the majority of internet traffic comes from streaming. It's really always been about that. I honestly doubt it will be nearly as bad as people think or any worse than what some of us currently deal with. Push comes to shove Netflix will play ball.

I've seen people freaking the hell out over this... and I'm like come deal with my ISP for a day and see what real shitty internet looks like at exorbitant prices before complain about hypothetical scenarios you don't even know will come to pass.
Post edited April 28, 2017 by user deleted
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russellskanne: UPDATE: They've removed the marking. One can just conclude that they intend to make Galaxy mandatory in the furure. THANKS GOG! :P
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skeletonbow: What does "They've removed the marking." mean?
I think that "UPDATE" sentence was added last, and the statements after it are the original post. The next sentence refers to:
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russellskanne: marked my wish with "in progress"
in reference to the wish on the Community Wishlist. It's that mark which was removed, the in progress mark. So perhaps the end of time might have come and past by since then? I haven't gotten up the nerve to check that yet…
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russellskanne: Well, they can release a linux client and leave it optional. No contradiction here.
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Darvond: In order for it to be optional, it must first exist as an option. This would be akin to expecting USB support as an option in Windows 3.11 for workgroups.
Well, there are at least USB storage drivers for DOS, that would presumably make such devices available from the various variants of Windows 3.1 as well.

:-P
Post edited April 28, 2017 by Maighstir
The question remains, what hinders them to stand for their promise (ergo mark the wish "in progress"), when they promise the same thing on their website (see attachment)?
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Post edited April 28, 2017 by russellskanne
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russellskanne: The question remains, what hinders them to stand for their promise (ergo mark the wish "in progress"), when they promise the same thing on their website (see attachment)?
Probably accuracy: "till the end of days" is a specific point in time, and "never" isn't. IOW, never can be considered as meaning not even when the end of days come. So, to GOG your wish might seem as coming up short on commitment.
Maybe it should be mentioned here that not only from a philosophical point of view but also from a very practical angle nothing, but absolutely nothing is forever!

So, if GOG Galaxy stays optional for the foreseeable future that would absolutely satisfy me. Of course you never know but then I'm not required to buy another game and for the games I own I have standalone installers. I'm sure GOG knows that it would lose customers if Galaxy were not optional. Otherwise freedom means that GOG can indeed make Galaxy mandatory if they wish so. I would not object against them using their freedom. I would just walk away.

The marking and unmarking of that wish is a bit strange but I don't want to interpret too much into it.
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Trilarion: Maybe it should be mentioned here that not only from a philosophical point of view but also from a very practical angle nothing, but absolutely nothing is forever!

So, if GOG Galaxy stays optional for the foreseeable future that would absolutely satisfy me. Of course you never know but then I'm not required to buy another game and for the games I own I have standalone installers. I'm sure GOG knows that it would lose customers if Galaxy were not optional. Otherwise freedom means that GOG can indeed make Galaxy mandatory if they wish so. I would not object against them using their freedom. I would just walk away.

The marking and unmarking of that wish is a bit strange but I don't want to interpret too much into it.
But if "absolutely nothing" is forever, then that in itself is forever, and hence something is forever?

True though, it going Galaxy only wouldn't affect anything other than its own future. At the end of the day Steam has the big catalog of all the titles, mostly available far cheaper than any other store. So GOGs only real standpoint is the DRM free installers.
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russellskanne: UPDATE: They've removed the marking! One can just conclude that they intend to make Galaxy mandatory in the furure. THANKS GOG! :P
Consistency is key. It's just too bad they're mostly tone-deaf and often fail to deliver on their promises (and lack the common decency to post an update/apology - if only fables22 was responsible for starting that thread).
Post edited April 28, 2017 by Lemon_Curry
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russellskanne: UPDATE: They've removed the marking! One can just conclude that they intend to make Galaxy mandatory in the furure. THANKS GOG! :P
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Lemon_Curry: Consistency is key. It's just too bad they're mostly tone-deaf and often fail to deliver on their promises (and lack the common decency to post an update/apology - if only fables22 was responsible for starting that thread).
Fables needs to be here because right now Galaxy is also fucking up the forum, which is why I'm ignoring the new COC.

It's a classic social contract and they are ignoring their end of the deal. We behave in return for a working forum. Well because of Galaxy the forum is totally fucking broken, so fuck 'em! :P

ANNNND I just noticed the ReCaptcha is now totally fucked up. Do I have my refusal to use Galaxy to thank for this?
Post edited April 28, 2017 by tinyE
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richlind33: With net neutrality on the way out, data caps and/or throttling are likely on the way in.
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BKGaming: They are already here... I have a capped/ throttled connection, net neutrality did nothing to stop that, so makes no difference to me. Only difference is specific content could be capped/throttled and/or charged more for over other content. The only thing big ISP's really care about is big streaming services like Netflix since they directly compete with traditional TV since most big ISP's also have a stake in that and the majority of internet traffic comes from streaming. It's really always been about that. I honestly doubt it will be nearly as bad as people think or any worse than what some of us currently deal with. Push comes to shove Netflix will play ball.

I've seen people freaking the hell out over this... and I'm like come deal with my ISP for a day and see what real shitty internet looks like at exorbitant prices before complain about hypothetical scenarios you don't even know will come to pass.
Fair enough, but it strikes me as absurd and dishonest for Pai to claim that an ISP isn't a carrier. A carrier *and* an information service, OK, but then you have some serious anti-trust issues.

At the end of the day, unchecked corporate consolidation is every bit as bad as unchecked Federalism.
Hm, as long as Galaxy allows you total control over its features, choices and freedom, then i am okay with it.

I was worried about many things, like for example cloud saves that i hate, plus a number of (intrusive) features that i hated on Steam; but thankfully, GOG lets you choose how the client runs things.

Still though, i would prefer for the choice to remain, downloading a game without client and also running it, without one.
Post edited April 29, 2017 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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mm324: They've already quit keeping the GOG Downloader up-to-date. :(
They should re brand the GOG downloader to 'Galaxy Downloader' with updates to make more stable for operating systems. I think that is what most people want right now.

If Companies hired people who know what the end user wants I am sure we would be in a more happy place.
but all we are seeing now is who has the biggest D in terms of clients for there platform GOG might not be as aggressive but still shows in some ways.
Post edited April 29, 2017 by UnrealQuakie
The problem is: As long as Galaxy is not opened with its protocols and API so there could be an open implementation for example, all freedom can change within a moment. And even when everything is opened: GOG is leading as it is their client and software. Therefore I don't like such clients: This software-type is always on the move and it depends on the good will of the owner behind speaking of GOG and there is no possibility for alternatives at the moment. Even if they would release the specification on Github tomorrow or as download here for example: As the client is on the move so the documentation and specifications has to be as other implementations could walk on with it and decide. Everything is depending on GOG as centralized "station", so they could decide waiting with an actual document or stop releasing such documentations for example so open implementations just become useless. Speaking of independent install-packages is one thing, but they have established this "optional" client and it won't stay that way. They're goal is clear: Having more customers using Galaxy instead having that as they told: A choice - one big lie in my eyes. They even reward the usage in sales. What next, GOG? But as you're not really speaking with the customers, we'll have to see. Hoping the best so Galaxy stay "optional" for a longer period or the investors have no further interest for now - until somebody give them the wording "money and costs" regarding two ways of releasing. Speaking of the last point: Then we could see how fast the rework can be done and even this nice word NEVER just vanish from the website. ;-)
Post edited April 29, 2017 by throgh
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throgh: The problem is: As long as Galaxy is not opened with its protocols and API so there could be an open implementation[...]
Won't happen since multiplayer-DRM is a core mechanic of it.
Post edited April 29, 2017 by Klumpen0815
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throgh: The problem is: As long as Galaxy is not opened with its protocols and API so there could be an open implementation[...]
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Klumpen0815: Won't happen since multiplayer-DRM is a core mechanic of it.
Yes, thanks for adding this. There are some wishes on the list:

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/galaxy/open_source_the_galaxy_client
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/galaxy/publish_galaxy_protocol_specification

In fact: The community could stop with "wishing" such things. The so-called train left the station long time ago.
Post edited April 29, 2017 by throgh