keeveek: haha, I remember after ST: Into Darkness some of my nerdy friends told me to watch Wrath of Khan "It's so much better, keeveek!"
No, it wasn't. It was just bunch of dudes standing and talking for almost 2 hours.
FlamingFirewire: The Wrath of Khan is a much better movie if you've seen the episodes from the original series and already know what has happened prior to the movie. Alone it's not as good as Into Darkness is on its own.
IMO Darkness was just a remake of Wrath and done badly. I could go on and on about the films problems and admit I may be biased since I'm a fan of most of the shows and movies but I feel there are legitimate gripes with the film especially when comparing it to Khan which is one of the best written and directed sci fi movies imo. For a good portion of the film in Darkness, the point and theme aren't identified and aren't clear by the end of the film. The hallmark of any good form of storytelling is being able to tell the story and theme clearly. Let me illustrate by showing the plots from Khan and Darkness. We'll start with Khan:
Basic Plot: enemy from the past hijacks ship and attempts to kill the hero and his friends.
Side Plots: Kirk dealing with his old age, Kirk dealing with family problems, The Genesis Bomb; fear of it being used by Khan and the fact it can destroy and create a world in one go, the death of spock,
Now let's see Into Darkness:
Basic Plot: Enemy commits terrorist act, crew tries to capture terrorist, befriends enemy since it's revealed an immoral ally is to blame for the situation, goes back home to tell everyone about the immoral ally, confronts immoral ally and wins, new ally wants to leave with his people on the kind of hijacked ship, hero's won't let him leave due to an alternate reality rumor, now crew must stop former ally from crashing ship into San Francisco.
Side Plots: Kirk loses command...again, breaking peace treaties by going into Klingon space, one mission expert is revealed to be the immoral politicians daughter, Kirk dies...and is then resurrected.
As you can see the plot for Darkness is not very basic. Also you notice the side plots don't support the main plot at all or have bearing on the films theme at all. This leaves the audience in a sort of what just happened as they try to figure out the point of the story. In the case of Khan all the side plots are tied to the main plot.